What Data Recovery software recovers partition(s) if drive has been formatted?

douche

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I used Active@ Partition Recovery and it restored my partition, but only because i deleted the partition. What about after a format? Do i need data/file recovery programs?
 

tlarkin

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data is not gone until completely over written, and even then it can still sometimes be retrieved.
 

nyhk

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well, if data is overwritten, i think you need a miracle to get it back :)

about the question, yes after a format you need a bit more work to get data back than deleting the partition.
 

douche

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data is not gone until completely over written, and even then it can still sometimes be retrieved.


So, a format does NOT overwrite data, then? If a drive or partition is overwritten with data, how/what would be the best program to recover it?

well, if data is overwritten, i think you need a miracle to get it back :)

about the question, yes after a format you need a bit more work to get data back than deleting the partition.

What work would that be? So, can using something like Active@ Partition Recovery help at all following a format?
 
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nyhk

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a format only overwrites a small portion of the drive, "the index"

If the entire drive is overwritten with new data, you cannot get it back.
 

douche

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a format only overwrites a small portion of the drive, "the index"

What is "the index"? Is data on there that a format overwrites? Or, is it the MBR? AFAIK, the MBR resides in area where NO data (i.e. files) are stored.

If the entire drive is overwritten with new data, you cannot get it back.

But, the previous poster mentioned "it can still sometimes be retrieved." How so?
 

nyhk

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The index is how the filesystem keeps track of all the files, where they are on the disk etc. The mbr holds the partition table on a normal disk. So deleting a partition is just a small modification to this table, and can easily be recreated.

I'm not sure how tlarkin will recover overwritten data. Not even professional recovery firms can do that
 

tlarkin

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There are data foot prints in cache, memory, and unwritten sectors. While, it may not be probable, its definitely not impossible. That is why when secure data on a failed drive or a drive that is replaced, is physically destroyed rather than zero'd out. I've take a few crow bars to HDs before that contained medical information on it.
 

nyhk

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the cache is like ram in your computer, it will be lost when the power goes.

unwritten sectors? then it is not overwritten, i guess.

it has long been known that overwriting the disk (modern disks anyway) is more secure than physically destroying it.
 
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tlarkin

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the cache is like ram in your computer, it will be lost when the power goes.

unwritten sectors? then it is not overwritten, i guess.

it has long been known that overwriting the disk (modern disks anyway) is more secure than physically destroying it.

Just because you haven't written any user data to a sector it doesn't mean the OS hasn't threaded or cached something there. Also, if you have many different copies of the same file an older version can be restored, well with other filing systems.

How are you going to put back together a cracked platter?
 

nyhk

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The talk was about recovering data from sectors that has been overwritten. And then is doesn't matter where and and who stored it there.

The profs have other ways of getting data out of a drive. They don't need a fully working rotating platter
 

SirKenin

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I'm not sure who feeds people these lines of nonsense. Harddrives can be recovered from three formats ago. I've done it, whether it was overwritten, partitioned, formatted or whatever. I have tools that enable me to do it.

The only way to prevent something like that is to do file shredding, minimum 7 passes. Otherwise, chances are decent that the data can be pulled. We even have the ability to pull data off of broken or burned platters in many cases.
 

nyhk

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You cannot possible recover data that has been overwritten.

First off, it requires very special equipment. The electronics in a harddrive is not capable of doing it, and therefore you cannot possible recover anything with simple software.

Second, the data density and precision of moderns harddrives makes it impossible for even specialists to recover a drive that has been overwritten just one time.

Overwriting a disk is not the same as formatting it.
 

douche

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Just because you haven't written any user data to a sector it doesn't mean the OS hasn't threaded or cached something there.

Doesn't the OS cache also disappear when power is off? If not, where is it stored?

Also, if you have many different copies of the same file an older version can be restored, well with other filing systems.

Just how old? Let's say i have 6 versions of a file, wouldn't it be MORE likely to restore the latest 3?

How are you going to put back together a cracked platter?

Well, unless it's in bits & pieces, i suppose it can't be too hard :D

SirKenin said:
The only way to prevent something like that is to do file shredding, minimum 7 passes.

How can you do file shredding?


We even have the ability to pull data off of broken or burned platters in many cases.

That's quite an impressive claim. How do you even begin doing this? Yet, file shredding, as you call it, prevents this? How so? Apparently, you must be a Data Recovery-ONLY specialist, then, like SalvationData.com or something?

nyhk said:
You cannot possible recover data that has been overwritten.

First off, it requires very special equipment.

What equipment would that be?

therefore you cannot possible recover anything with simple software.

So, is Active@ Partition Recovery considered "simple?" What software, then, is able to recover partitions than have been formatted over? (I believe that's the title of this thread, anyway.) I haven't had time to try A@PR, yet. I'll report back here the results.
 

tlarkin

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Modern OSes are journaled filing systems. They leave bits and pieces of data all over the place. Not everything is always cleared out of memory, and when solid state becomes the standard it will be even more so the case.

I am not saying it is always possible, but I am also saying its not impossible either. It just depends on a case by case basis. It all depends on how much it has actually been overwritten. Which is why secure delete programs do random write 0s over 8 times in a row just to be sure.
 
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