G25r8cer
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And you are?
just kidding!
Wh wh what? Have you played Call of Duty 4 - Multiplayer?
I dont really play shooter games but COD4 has to be my favorite next to rainbob six vegas 2!!
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I dont really play shooter games but COD4 has to be my favorite next to rainbob six vegas 2!!
JlCollins005
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thats a sweet setup Q
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tlarkin
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I have been playing games since about 83, and I played the first FPS ever, wolfenstein and right behind it Doom and Doom II, then the quake series, then Half life, so on and so forth.
Better graphics and game engines don't always mean better games. Game play is a huge factor. I have already seen it all.
I have been playing games enough now where I pick up a game, play it for a week, decide I don't like it (with out even beating it) and trade it in for another. There are some games that I can pop back in and play over and over again, and those games are:
mario bros (classic, grew up on it)
zelda
fallout series
half life
tetris (never gets old, even 20 years later)
possibly KOTOR (real time RPG, cool concept and I grew up on star wars)
Other than that, there is no game that I will play 10 to 15 to 20 years from now besides those games. I still boot up Fall out ever now and then and that game is over a decade old. I still boot up the Original Zelda from time to time as well. I love Half life and all the mods.
Every other game I just play in passing. I don't see myself busting out any of the GTA games 10 years from now playing it. I mean I played the original over head GTA that looked like you were racing around a bunch of RC cars.
I mean I used to love the final fantasy games, and now they just plain bore the crap out of me. 8 sucked, 9 was mediocre, 10 was way boring and dragged on and I hated half the character's voices, and never played a final fantasy since. 7 was ground breaking because of the cinematic scenes, but still the best final fantasy ever was on SNES story line wise, and was III in the US and I think IV in Japan.
When games rely on technology over innovation or think that technology is the only innovation out there, it just lacks a lot of robustness games used to have when technology was lesser and you had to rely on other things. I am not saying every game out there is crap, I am just saying that most of them are these days.
As for a rating system. If you are going to be a critic and create system of ratings between 1 and 10, 1 being nothing but flaws, 10 being flawless you should stand by it. Once you lower your standards you just become used to lower standards.
It is just like Microsoft windows. People, expect it not to work right out the box because that is how MS deploys their product. Therefore, when you look at any other OS, you get that same low standard of it having bugs for the first year, when in fact they really don't have a fraction of the bugs windows may have. Nothing man made is perfect, that is for sure, but if you don't hold up to your standards then your standards are pointless.
The driving mechanic alone in GTA should not give it a 10. It is horrid. After playing games like Burnout and GT, you would think that a platformer can make a better driving system than what is in GTA 4 given today's games.
Better graphics and game engines don't always mean better games. Game play is a huge factor. I have already seen it all.
I have been playing games enough now where I pick up a game, play it for a week, decide I don't like it (with out even beating it) and trade it in for another. There are some games that I can pop back in and play over and over again, and those games are:
mario bros (classic, grew up on it)
zelda
fallout series
half life
tetris (never gets old, even 20 years later)
possibly KOTOR (real time RPG, cool concept and I grew up on star wars)
Other than that, there is no game that I will play 10 to 15 to 20 years from now besides those games. I still boot up Fall out ever now and then and that game is over a decade old. I still boot up the Original Zelda from time to time as well. I love Half life and all the mods.
Every other game I just play in passing. I don't see myself busting out any of the GTA games 10 years from now playing it. I mean I played the original over head GTA that looked like you were racing around a bunch of RC cars.
I mean I used to love the final fantasy games, and now they just plain bore the crap out of me. 8 sucked, 9 was mediocre, 10 was way boring and dragged on and I hated half the character's voices, and never played a final fantasy since. 7 was ground breaking because of the cinematic scenes, but still the best final fantasy ever was on SNES story line wise, and was III in the US and I think IV in Japan.
When games rely on technology over innovation or think that technology is the only innovation out there, it just lacks a lot of robustness games used to have when technology was lesser and you had to rely on other things. I am not saying every game out there is crap, I am just saying that most of them are these days.
As for a rating system. If you are going to be a critic and create system of ratings between 1 and 10, 1 being nothing but flaws, 10 being flawless you should stand by it. Once you lower your standards you just become used to lower standards.
It is just like Microsoft windows. People, expect it not to work right out the box because that is how MS deploys their product. Therefore, when you look at any other OS, you get that same low standard of it having bugs for the first year, when in fact they really don't have a fraction of the bugs windows may have. Nothing man made is perfect, that is for sure, but if you don't hold up to your standards then your standards are pointless.
The driving mechanic alone in GTA should not give it a 10. It is horrid. After playing games like Burnout and GT, you would think that a platformer can make a better driving system than what is in GTA 4 given today's games.
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G25r8cer
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hermeslyre
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Who is the critic who created this system, pray? Certainly not a video game reviewer, comparing things to a scale of 1 to 10 has probably been done for thousands of years. It's old. When a video game reviewer first writes a review and states that his system of score does not contain a flawless or perfect numerical/characterized equivalent, on the basis there is none such, I'm obliged to agree and accept that. Not doing so is simply a stiffening of the joints. I don't agree a person going this route is breeding a comfort of lower standards, I think this person is being realistic and taking naught in waste. These are opinions we are talking about, remember, and flaws are never universal.
tlarkin said:
Reviewers are standing up to their standards, It's other people who say that they aren't, not even knowing what their standard is.
tlarkin said:
I've heard the complaint. Some people can't get used to it, but the majority of people seem to (only form what I've read and from the few people i know who own it). I haven't tried it yet, obviously, but I'm not afraid of adapting a new driving technique.
G25r8cer
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Tlarkin, you def have a lot to say, dont you? First of all! All of the GTA's, burnout's, and the GT's I believe, are not even close to a racing simulator but, I think they are still fun to play. The only games I think are real sim games are GTR, LFS, Rfactor, GTL, Grand Prix legends, and Dirt is pushing it. Any of the NFS games or Test Drive's are not even close to racing sims. Im sorry but its the truth! They are fun though. AS for GTA well, thats not even considered a race sim. Its more of a solo adventurous game. IDK the technical term but im sure there is one for GTA's place.
G25r8cer
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Me either! I think we all had to change driving techniques when going from NFS: Carbon to NFS: Pro street or Most wanted. LOL Carbon was fun but way too much of an arcade style game.
hermeslyre
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lol, we all? I've only played NFS:most wanted, a long time ago. Thought it was awesome. The burnout series are my favorite racing games, utter speed, precision control, damn purty crashes.
tlarkin
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Hey, it is not a bad game, it just doesn't deserve a 10 IMO. I just think it was a bit over hyped, but then again I knew it was going to be over hyped so I guess I shouldn't be shocked.
As for you view on standards. When you review something as a professional, I think it is your obligation to maintain by a set of standards to your readers. They are relying on you for the facts, unbiased opinions, and of course your opinions.
I would not give GTA 4 a 10 out of 10. I would say 8.5 out of 10, which is still a damn high score and a great game, just not anywhere quite near perfect. I'd accept a 9 as well, but 10, I just disagree.
As for you view on standards. When you review something as a professional, I think it is your obligation to maintain by a set of standards to your readers. They are relying on you for the facts, unbiased opinions, and of course your opinions.
I would not give GTA 4 a 10 out of 10. I would say 8.5 out of 10, which is still a damn high score and a great game, just not anywhere quite near perfect. I'd accept a 9 as well, but 10, I just disagree.
G25r8cer
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lol, we all? I've only played NFS:most wanted, a long time ago. Thought it was awesome. The burnout series are my favorite racing games, utter speed, precision control, damn purty crashes.
I use to have so much fun playing burnout on the ps2! Heck I still do! LOL
G25r8cer
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I am no professional reviewer at all but, yes I think my race sim standards are high. But, we should set high standards now days, otherwise we would still be playing CRAP games! The only reason companies are making better games is to please us so they make their money! Therefor if we set our standards higher then they will make a better game and make all their freaking money! I know, real technical, right? JK
hermeslyre
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Of course, I simply think the 1-10 review standard isn't, shouldn't and cannot be absolutely static. Your appraisal of 8.5-9.0/10 might be my appraisal of 10, The only way for a reader to be able to tell is to actually read the review, far more important that the number on top of the review IMO.
Seeing as we don't all have the same Idea of a 10, why should the reviewers? Getting them to accept the standard of a 10 as being flawless seems futile, they've already given their opinion towards perfection (doesn't exist).
xxxalpinexxx80
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gta4 better come out for pc !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\
G25r8cer
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Thats good!! We want to hear good news!
Please: Nobody ruine (if thats how you spell it) it for the people who have not played it and wanna wait for pc version.
Hopefully the pc version has more options just like NFS: Pro street and the ps2 and pc! The PC version deserves the most!!
bigsaucybob
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This game is awesome. I have played for about 25 hours combined and I am not planning on slowing down.
I love it, and the multiplayer is quite fun too.
I love it, and the multiplayer is quite fun too.