Måns Eriksson
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Given that the rest of the components in the PC are roughly the same, which one of these would be a better choice? And also the Ryzen 5 with GTX 1070 is about 100 euros more expensive.. Thanks in advance!
i5 8400 with GTX 1060 6GB or Ryzen 5 1400 with GTX 1070 8GB
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Måns Eriksson
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Im sorry, forgot that.. It will be for gaming.
Måns Eriksson
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Måns Eriksson
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And you think that the extra 100€ is worth it?
Måns Eriksson
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Most other options i could found offered worse specs for similar money like 8GB RAM, i5 7400's, smaller SSD's and so on..
Måns Eriksson
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Here are some possible alternatives still if you wanna see:
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/49955/kgsbc/Asus-GR8-II-tietokone-Win-10-musta
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/8164/kdrqd/Blackstorm-FHD-Asus-poytatietokone-pelikayttoon
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/40098/jqvgq/Predator-G3-710-poytakone-Win-10
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/49955/kgsbc/Asus-GR8-II-tietokone-Win-10-musta
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/8164/kdrqd/Blackstorm-FHD-Asus-poytatietokone-pelikayttoon
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/40098/jqvgq/Predator-G3-710-poytakone-Win-10
Shlouski
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Personally I would go with the i5 8400 build. The GTX 1060 is great card and in a few years you may want to upgrade your GPU and if you do you will have a better CPU to push it, but both options are fine. If you are able to overclock, then overclock the Ryzen, you may be able to close the performance gap.
Måns Eriksson
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Considering those things, do you still think its worth 100€ more despite the slower RAM speed?
Definitely.
Shlouski
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Future upgradeability means spending more money, for gaming it would likely be a waste of money as I would hope his cpu would last at least 4 or five years. If not already released, AM5 and DDR5 would be just around the corner by then and I can't remember any occasions where people here have recommended upgrading old hardware over newer faster hardware.
Socket AM2 released 2006 and I have build a PC. It is now 2010, AM3 was released just a few months ago, should I upgrade my Athlon 64 X2 build to the fastest Phenom, or should I go with AM3 build where even the cheap Athlons beat the old Phenoms?
A 1260 will likely stomp a 1070, but will he need to upgrade his cpu to run it? well its more likely if he has a slower cpu, so one can argue that the Intel platform gives you future upgradeability that the Ryzen doesn't.
It all comes down to what is best for each individual consumer, Ryzen my be best for some enthusiasts whom enjoy upgrading, others want to build a PC and then leave it alone, if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude, I have no idea which the original poster is, so I offer different perspectives and let them decide what is best for them.
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Erm. What?
AM4 is going to be in use for at least another 3-4 years. Intel? Yeah you're going to get maybe another year before they change socket again. That's all I'm saying, the mobo will be more viable longer since it's a socket with a longer lifespan. I'm not saying you'll need to upgrade as predicting the future is impossible but it just makes more sense to get a platform that will be easier to upgrade in a few years. Your examples are also for stuff that's already really old. Upgrading just a CPU can be way more cost effective than a whole platform (CPU, RAM, Mobo) upgrade, especially when we're early on in the lifecycle of the socket and later chips will be noticeably faster (theoretically).
1260 better than a 1070? Maybe but there's barely more than whispers about next gen at this point. Kind of a moot point, buy what's the best now. And that's going to be a 1070 over a 1060.
OmniDyne
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It's going to be far more cost effective to upgrade the RAM on the Ryzen build than to buy another GPU on the Intel build.
The 1060 is hardly a viable card at this point, in my opinion. It can hardly run GTA V at 60 FPS, and it's only a few percent better than the GTX 970, which is seriously showing its age at this point.
The Ryzen 5 1400 can run most games well over 100 FPS.
The 1070 is far superior to the 1060. At the price point these builds are at, going with the 8400 just wouldn't make sense.
His gaming experience would be leaps and bounds better with the 1070 build.
But again, neither of those builds makes much sense.
Shlouski
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Trying to offer a different opinion, it is not an attack on you, so plz offer me a little respect, thank you.
Both sockets will likely be dead by the time he needs to upgrade, so in both situations he will be left with the choice to upgrade to old hardware or to new where would need to buy everything all over again anyway. This is also not taking into account many new technologies that my be available in 4 or 5 years, which he can't take advantage of because he can only upgrade his cpu.
The single biggest reason why future proofing things like mobo, cpu, ram combo is bs.
Not in 2010 like I stated, it will be a similar situation that will be in with AM4 and AM5 in a few years, upgrade to old tech or new and overwhelming most of the time it makes sense to buy new, we can learn from the past. I have personally owned EVERY socket for the last 20 years, upgrading to old tech has never yet made sense for all my past situations and I think this is true for most others too.
Not needing to upgrade anything is even cheaper. Irrelevant of the platform, in a few years time only cpu upgrading won't be a reasonable option anyway.
Exactly, we don't know how much better future cards will be, so it would be great if he had a more powerful cpu to push them, gpu's are easier to upgrade and much more beneficial to gaming in general. You say buy what is best now, but you are recommending a slower cpu, which in my opinion would decrease longevity of the system.
A very short term view, also even now new gpu's are just around the corner, the weaker cpu would put him at a disadvantage for all the years of usage in the future and will cause him to need to upgrade sooner.
End of the day. 1070 > 1060. The CPU's are close in performance and GPU is the limiting factor more than 90 percent of the time for gaming. Don't want to talk about anything in the future? Then 1070 absolutely makes the most sense now.
Which platform will be upgradeable in a few years (say before socket changes for the AM4). Ryzen socket will have a longer lifespan and thus better CPU's that are more viable for a longer period of time. Simple fact is that the AM4 socket will live longer than the Intel. If you feel the need to upgrade before AM5 (or whatever it may be) cool you've got a motherboard/RAM that will work, but Intel will already be a socket or two different (assuming their pattern maintains which is likely). If it's past that then you'd be upgrading the whole platform anyway regardless of Intel or AMD.
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