Can anyone prove that AMD 64 IS BETTER THEN Pentium 4 Northwood for gaming
Forget clock speed (Intel advantage). Forget memory speed (mostly Intel advantage). Forget insane 'bus' advntage (AMD). Forget a much more clock efficient chip (AMD). Forget the chipset (mostly AMD advantage). Forget overclocking (AMD advantage). AMD will win hands down because .... on die memory controller.
Lets have a look at a few systems with the following as a baseline machine
- AthlonXP 2500 running 2.2Ghz (200x11.0)
- ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe (NF2U)
- 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel
System 1:
- P4C-2.80GHz
- ASUS P4P800SE (i865PE)
- 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel
Coming stock, this is a superior platform next to the base model and a worthy upgrade for some people ... the price/performance difference is prolly worth $250USD (naturally you wont find that kinda pricing because of markups etc). The P4C-2.80 is a very OC friendly chip and often people will be playing in the 3.20GHz range ... running in its OC'd state the machine will hands-down run-over the base system. For anyone looking to build a (performance) Doom3/FarCry type system this would prolly be the lowest platform being considered.
System 2:
- Athlon64-3400 (2.2Ghz, Socket754, Clawhammer)
- MSI K8N Neo Platinum (nForce3-250)
- 1GB PC3200 Single Channel
This configuration will take out the base model with ease despite any (percieved) disadvantage of running single channel memory. That disadvantage is removed by the fact that the memory controller is on-die. The NF3-250 chipset alllows it to *easily* OC and *easily* challenge many Socket939 processors. Pricewise, this is comparable to the System 1 (with a 3.0GHz processor instead of 2.8). Compared to System 1 (even in OC state), this here will win out in almost every respect ... why? Because of the on-die memory controller. OCers will be quite familiar with this system config and often hit 2.7Ghz-3.1GHz with it (and thus damn near negate any "advantage" in clock speed). It is also worth noting that Atlon64s run a 17stage pipeline (compared to 15 for the K7s, 20 for the P4Cs and 31 for the P4Es -- and this means that clock for clock the Athlon64s are more efficient ... and if you remove/limit the clock advantage ... the P4s dont look so great anymore).
System 3:
- Pentium4E-3.20 (Socket775)
- ASUS 915 board (cant remember the model num)
- 1GB PC2-4200 Dual Channel (thats not a typo, its DDR2)
The SocketT Prescotts dont have the heat problems their Socket478 predescors had however as a 'price', they dont OC nealy at all with many being capped at 10% and maximums reaching 25% (as opposed to 50% which is easily obtainable off a Socket478 Prescott). In stock form this will handily run over the base system and overclocked (prolly to 3.4GHz max), will be roughly on par with System 1 (overclocked). Comapred to System 2 (stock) it's probably roughly on par depending on the task at hand but comparing them in overclocked conditions, System2 (OCd) will take off leaving this system quite far back. Unfortunately the advantage of running DDR2 is offset by the relatively high latencies (caused by different factors than latencies as found in DDR). Price-wise, the processor and mobo are cheaper than their System 1 counterparts but that is severely offset by the increased price of the video card and RAM
System 4
- Pentium4E-3.6 (Socket775)
- ASUS 925 board (cant remember the model num)
- 1GB PC2-4200 Dual Channel (thats not a typo, its DDR2)
Up till now, System 2 has been the system-to-beat but here we have a serious contender. System4(stock) runs about on par with the System2(stock) and System4(stock) gives serious ground to the System2(overclocked) ... running System4(overclocked) reduces that deficit considerably ... of course, as a result of the 925 chipset, overclocks are limited to roughly 24%. From a price/value perspective the System2 is still a better pick ... for users not comfortable with overclocking or doing stuff that doesnt permit them to overclock, this becomes the new benchmark system. Suffice it to say this machine will walk all over base system as well as System1
System 5:
- Athlon64-3500 (Newcastle/Winchester, 2.2Ghz)
- ASUS A8V/Abit AV8
- 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel
In all respects this platform will chew the base system and System1 out for breakfast. With both systems in stock mode, System5 here will outpower its Socket754 little brother regardless of any advantages in the NF3-250. Comparing System5(stock) to System2 (overclocked) makes for an interesting comparison. In many cases the System2 will come out clearly on top as the benifit of dual channel memory is (a) negligible in generl and (b) further minimized by having the memory controller on die anyways. Although slightly more difficult with the K8T800Pro, comparing System5(overclocked) to System2(overclocked) results in the Socket939 part coming out on top in general. In stock form, SYstem5 here will outpower System3 (stock and overclocked) and it will also be "at least" (although in many cases, slightly faster) than System4 (stock and overclocked) ... from a price perspective System5 is significantly less expensive than System4 and thus makes a better choice. Now System5(overclocked) will dominate the entire set from Base sysstem to System4.
Now swapping out the mobo here for a NF3-250 parts (System5B), results in the new bar setting platform. With good memory, upclocking this platform allows it to easily challenge the other systems.
It is important to note that with many major benchmaks System4 is compared to a FX series processor rather than a vanilla Athlon64