PS3 hacked
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tlarkin
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I am willing to bet consoles turn into something like Steam one of these days. You authenticate with an account, and if your account is ever caught or known for piracy your account is then denied.
Microsoft shut down how many Xboxes from being modded?
I am curious to how this master key works. I guess games are encoded with this key, which is based on some private algorithm that if it matches then it is good to go. Too bad companies don't spend this much effort making their product better rather than try to prevent things like piracy.
Though the PS3 has lasted a long time with out being fully hacked.
Microsoft shut down how many Xboxes from being modded?
I am curious to how this master key works. I guess games are encoded with this key, which is based on some private algorithm that if it matches then it is good to go. Too bad companies don't spend this much effort making their product better rather than try to prevent things like piracy.
Though the PS3 has lasted a long time with out being fully hacked.
Aastii
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So far as I understand, the number is something that Sony have used on the PS3 and PSP that each game and program has to have in order for them to pass a check and work. There was a previous work around for it, but they have actually nailed it now. I think our understandings are slightly off though, because the article says to aliviate the problem then Sony have to change the hardware itself. Whether the hardware has this number and it has to check against it, I'm not sure, but they apparently can't just patch it to change the number.
If companies worked harder on the game, especially multiplayer side, people will buy it. Because you can't, for the most part, play multiplayer games online, you are forced to buy it for the majority of the content. But to be honest I don't think I'm in a minority in loving a good single player game as much, if not more so, than a good multiplayer game. Blame the pirates
If companies worked harder on the game, especially multiplayer side, people will buy it. Because you can't, for the most part, play multiplayer games online, you are forced to buy it for the majority of the content. But to be honest I don't think I'm in a minority in loving a good single player game as much, if not more so, than a good multiplayer game. Blame the pirates
Meh,Im betting all Sony will do is release an update to reverse the hack or something,or even worse Ban the console from online play just like Microsoft does if the Hack/Modification is detected.
I do think its wrong how they wont let people install what they want on the Ps3s like Linux distros etc...at the end of the day its the users consoles...they own it so imo they should be able to do what the hell they want with it,But no.
I know alot of it has to do with preventing Piracy though,and i agree with what Aastii said "Blame the pirates".
I do think its wrong how they wont let people install what they want on the Ps3s like Linux distros etc...at the end of the day its the users consoles...they own it so imo they should be able to do what the hell they want with it,But no.
I know alot of it has to do with preventing Piracy though,and i agree with what Aastii said "Blame the pirates".
tlarkin
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You have to realize that technology companies and media companies have something you don't. Lots and lots of money. They have money to lobby politicians to pass legislation allowing them to do such things to their products and justifying it by crying piracy.
Just look at all the International restraints from technology from the USA to the UK to Aus. This is all because of copyright laws gone too far. In some cases it is illegal for you, in the UK, to download free software from the USA becuase international intellectual property laws are not compatible between countries.
That is why there are dumb things like DVD regions, country specific DRM, and other crap that hinders consumers with their products.
The thing I think a lot of companies miss is some people will never buy a game. By not putting piracy protection on a game and that user steals it they haven't lost a sale. Most people will pay for something if they think it is worth it. The problem is many movies and games now aren't worth paying for.
Of course this code will be used by pirates to steal games, but what I really wonder is how many 'pirated' games are actually just demo versions or downloaded by people who were never going to buy it in the first place.
Of course this code will be used by pirates to steal games, but what I really wonder is how many 'pirated' games are actually just demo versions or downloaded by people who were never going to buy it in the first place.
tlarkin
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Yeah exactly. I will always buy my games and if I don't like them there is a Gamestop with in walking distance of my house and I will just trade it in.
Though I do agree, almost all new games, TV, music, movies, and so forth really isn't worth paying for. That is why I don't have cable TV and watch the three shows I do like off of Hulu or off of the broadcasting company's website.
Shlouski
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Im sorry but not many people will buy something it they can get it for free. If they took the security features (no matter how annoying) off there software completely, then no-one would bother buying it, its easier to stay at home and download it. People saying things aren't worth paying (their is some crap out there), maybe because companies have less money than they would normally to put into making the software. Also I hate it when people justify it by saying "their a big company worth millions, im not hurting anyone", its still stealing, someone put in the time and effort making it. Ok they still making money, but if i stole the table my friend the carpenter had been slaving over all day, he would still be make money in the long run, does that make it ok?
tlarkin
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I disagree. I buy stuff off of Steam all the time, even games I haven't even played yet. The idea is great. I download it, I own it, I can delete it, and redownload it, Steam always has killer deals.
Why try to mess with buggy pirated video games when I can buy them off steam cheap after release and then always be able to download it whenever I want?
I bought Mass Effect 1 and 2 in a bundle deal, both games for $35 and that was like a year ago and I still haven't beat Mass Effect 1. However, I can download it to my PC via Steam anytime I want and play it again. Now with the Steam Cloud, I can also back up my saved games and have no worries.
Even though my main PC as 2TB of HD space, but recently I wiped it clean (like 7 months ago) and reinstalled everything and I never had to worry about CD Keys, or CD/DVD media because I can just use steam to download it.
If you want to support the industry you are in to you will also have little issue paying for what you own.
Shlouski
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I pay for all my games for that reason, supporting the industry. Im saying if software had no security at all, it would be more or less as easy to download it for free as it would be paying for it. In my opinion security will never be absolute, if someone can make it, someone can break it and i think most people who buy the software do so, because they can't be bothered with the hassle trying to get it to work illegally
TrainTrackHack
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I'm gonna make a guess and say that there are more people downloading illegal software because they can't be bothered with the hassle of trying to get it to work legally.
I buy games I like. Not because I can't be bothered with the "hassle" (seriously, pirating PC games is ridiculously easy and from past experience I can say that several games work better pirated), but because it's... well, "the right thing to do" in lack of a better term.
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"However, m is supposed to be a random numer. But, for some reason, Sony uses the same random number all the time."
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You're entitled to you opinion but I still say most people will buy something if it is worth it, whether they can get it free or not. Look at iTunes, Steam, etc.
That said, sometimes the DRM makes it not worth it. Look at the Starforce protection UBI was using for a long time.
Shlouski
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Maybe its just this island, but more or less everyone i fix/build a pc for asks me how to download free movies and games (though they can afford a nice new pc), or if i can install some cracked games for them, or if i know how to crack the xbox/ps3. This happens to me on a daily bases, no lie, i worries me.
Aastii
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Usually with in the day, if not with in the hour, of release, sometimes before the release, a game has hacks, cheats and a work around for security. Devs may as well stick with just a CD key and that is it. There is a way to manipulate any data, it is never ever 100% safe, and those with the right know how can get around it, millions are spent developing software that can "prevent" piracy, yet all of that money and work is wasted just a few weeks/months after the new features is released.
If there was a key for online play and no other security, with all of the money spent on the game itself, games would be infinitely better, and the amount of piracy would not change at all.
I think Sony did outstanding to be honest to last this long without a solid way to run custom software on their systems, but there were always ways and ways around it. The same security is on the PSP, yet for years there has been custom firmware and homebrew on their system, even without the code. Even without the full fix, there were ways to get custom software on there without any problems
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@ Shlouski, I get that too, I even had a conversation with our window cleaner about getting pirated games working on the Xbox, everyone knows it is there, even if they don't know how to use it, and everyone wants something for free, right? They don't fully understand what it is or the impact it has I don't think
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Shlouski
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I don't know, i suppose it comes down to: (not including people who will buy the game irrespective of security or no security)
Spending money on the security making the lazy and inexperienced buy the game or saving the money on no security (dunno if it will be spent on the game or will just increase profit margins), but anyone with little/no understanding of software can play the game illegally, just not online.
Spending money on the security making the lazy and inexperienced buy the game or saving the money on no security (dunno if it will be spent on the game or will just increase profit margins), but anyone with little/no understanding of software can play the game illegally, just not online.
Twist86
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The honest truth right there. I usually demo when they don't give me a demo but anymore I only buy games used and for $20 or less. Games today just are not worth $60 for what you get.
tlarkin
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Yup that is why I wait to buy games. I didn't buy MGS4 until it was 20 bucks, new. I never buy a splinter cell game when they come out, I buy them used, which reminds me I need to see if I can find the last one I heard it was awesome.
tlarkin
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No it is meant to open up the system to home brewers who as their hobby design games. If you look into the Wii they have a whole bunch of homebrew games you can download. The problem is that corporations won't make any money off that. That is until they figure out how to make some sort of app store like Apple and allow any developer to submit their games to be purchased online.
Xbox Live and PSN sort of have that, but it goes through a strict process and I believe you have to partner with sony or something. So it is not really feasible for your average hobbyist to put their home brew game on either service.