HD 5850 or GTX 470?

gtx 470 vs hd 5850

  • Gtx 470

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • HD 5850

    Votes: 15 62.5%
  • Total voters
    24
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87dtna

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Aastii said:
6850>5750
6870>5770

yes, they have improved over the 5000 cards, at least performance wise. price/performance though, i dunno, and we will see just how improved after the high end cards come out. I think it is still too early to dismiss them or pass judgment, either positive or negative. I don't think they are showing a whole lot of promise or causing a lot of excitement though to be honest, at least not the same way that the fermi cards did
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Yeah, but why the 100 increase? The X8XX series have always been the ''power house'' single GPU cards for AMD. 3850/3870, 4850/4870/4890, 5850/5870. Now all of the sudden the 800's are no longer easily beating the 700's. Now the 6950 and 6970 are the power house cards. There seems to be no 67xx series was my point. Why isn't is 6750 and 6770? That seems to be the ''performance'' zone it should be.
 
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Aastii

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87dtna said:
Yeah, but why the 100 increase? The X8XX series have always been the ''power house'' single GPU cards for AMD. 3850/3870, 4850/4870/4890, 5850/5870. Now all of the sudden the 800's are no longer easily beating the 700's. Now the 6950 and 6970 are the power house cards. There seems to be no 67xx series was my point. Why isn't is 6750 and 6770? That seems to be the ''performance'' zone it should be.
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AMD say it is because they "had to free up space". What exactly they have planned for the lower end cards, i dunno, but that is their reasoning behind it. The 67xx will be the same as the 46xx and 56xx were, the 69xx will be the same as the 58xx and 48xx were.

I assume, because that gets rid of all room at the upper end, they will do what they did the the 4xxx series cards, and when they have multiple GPUs on 1 PCB it will be the 6950x2 or something like that.

I agree, it is pretty retarded, but you got to do your research first before you buy, and the information that the 68xx are no longer the top end, single GPU cards, and are instead the mid-high end cards, like the x7xx were, is readily available all over, a few seconds on google will show you the change
 
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linkin

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Nvidia has just slashed prices on the 460/465/470 so the 470 gets my vote... the 460 is now $150 :eek: i paid $260 aud for mine.
 
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87dtna

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The 768mb is $150. You'd be hard pressed to get a 1gb under $200.

The 470 is still $300. A 460 1gb is MUCH better bang for the buck, if you get the overclocked version it's pretty much as strong as a 470 anyway. Plus, like I said, just wait for the 475. It will be around the same price as the current 470 and should whip it easily.
 
Aastii

Aastii

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87dtna said:
The 768mb is $150. You'd be hard pressed to get a 1gb under $200.

The 470 is still $300. A 460 1gb is MUCH better bang for the buck, if you get the overclocked version it's pretty much as strong as a 470 anyway. Plus, like I said, just wait for the 475. It will be around the same price as the current 470 and should whip it easily.
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Over here the 5850s are very slightly more expensive than the 470s, and the 460s are a hell of a lot cheaper, even the 1GB ones.

5850: ~£200
GTX460 1GB : ~£160
GTX470: ~£195

From then, I would go with the 460, you are getting, as you say, excellent performance, but paying much less for it.

Though I also agree to wait for the 475 to see how it performs, that is if OP doesn't need the card right now
 
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iurytx

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When does the 475 come out? I'm not in too much of a hurry but I dont want to have to wait more than a month.
 
Aastii

Aastii

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iurytx said:
When does the 475 come out? I'm not in too much of a hurry but I dont want to have to wait more than a month.
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everything is speculation at the minute, but I wouldn't hold your breathe for a release with in the month, maybe not even with in the year, so because you don't want to wait, I would say go for a 460 for best price/performance
 
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iurytx

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Yea the 460 has been looking like a better deal. How much better is the performance of the 5850 vs the 460?
 
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salvage-this

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iurytx said:
Yea the 460 has been looking like a better deal. How much better is the performance of the 5850 vs the 460?
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At stock, it seems like the 460 is just under the 5850 but after a decent overclock it can overtake the 5850 in quite a few games. Especially in heavy tessellation.
 
Aastii

Aastii

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iurytx said:
Yea the 460 has been looking like a better deal. How much better is the performance of the 5850 vs the 460?
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salvage-this said:
At stock, it seems like the 460 is just under the 5850 but after a decent overclock it can overtake the 5850 in quite a few games. Especially in heavy tessellation.
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A 5850 can OC too ;)

The performance difference though, even at stock clocks, is negligible. For the sake of argument, you have the same performance, but you will see better performance in games with Physx with the 460 because there is less load on the CPU, and the 460 is much cheaper. As it is for gaming though, make sure you get the 1GB model, the performance difference is great compared to the 768MB
 
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87dtna

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Yeah I just noticed as well they JUST took a huge dive. Well with the release of the 6k series ATI cards, they are trying to sell off all the 470's to make room with the 475's coming in.
 
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iurytx

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well might as well take advantage of this and get the 470 right? Do you think it would get too hot in my antec 300? i only have 2 fans one on top blowing out and one on front blowing in. If i got another fan for the back and another for the front would it help? 2 fans are way cheaper than a whole new case lol
 
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87dtna

Active Member
No I would still get the 460.

There is a chance, once the 475's come out, that you could flash the Bios of the 460 and make it a 475 anyway and unlock the other block of stream processors.
 
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87dtna

Active Member
funkysnair said:
scrap both and get the 6870...

the gtx460 768mb is not a terrible card, only drops a few fps against the 1gb
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Say what? A 6870 is definitely weaker (5830 performance) than a 460 1gb. And also I can't find any 6870's with lifetime warranty except the XFX, and that one is $260+ $8 shipping when you can get an EVGA gtx460 1gb for $240 shipped with lifetime warranty and have a stronger card.

Also, about the 1gb VS 768mb debate. It depends on what resolution he's gaming at and with what settings. At 1080p, on some games I play with 16x/16x AA/AF I'm using around 850-900mb of memory. So with only 768mb, it's a bottleneck and will drop FPS quite a bit more than just a ''few''.

Let me also make a disclaimer here. Most sites only test reference gtx460's with the stock 675mhz core clock. gtx460's have been known to be exceptional clockers, and it's been helping a ton with FPS. Mine clocks to 850 core clock on stock volts, and 900 core clock with increased voltage of .087. I've gotten 30-40 FPS gains from overclocking with high settings. If the 6870 can overclock more than 100mhz over stock I'd be surprised, without extra voltage that is.
 
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funkysnair

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so you use 1080p you would see a bigger fps drop, but is he? i used 768mb version on bc2 with everything maxed and didnt get lag on my 1050 monitor, saved a few £ and got what i wanted!

im sorry but i thought the 6850 was on par with 5830 and the 6870 was better than the 5850?

too many options dam it lol
 
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