Save XP!

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InfoWorld.com is hosting a petition on their website asking Microsoft to extend the date (June 30) they plan to stop selling system buliders licenses for Windows XP. Retail versions, I believe, will be available until December 31st. So far, they've received over 75,000 signatures.

Read more about the effort, and sign the petition here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

Even though I run Vista, I signed the petition. What does everyone else think? Should Microsoft extend the deadline?
 
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No one sign this. It is like delaying technology expansion. What kind of hypocrisy is that? Signing a petition for XP while running and using Vista?
 
JLV2k5 said:
No one sign this. It is like delaying technology expansion.
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How does this delay technology expansion?

JLV2k5 said:
What kind of hypocrisy is that? Signing a petition for XP while running and using Vista?
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How am I a hypocrite?

XP is still an excellent OS and many people do not want to run Vista. Some have ran Vista and "downgraded" to XP due to problems they've had.
 
Working as a Network Admin for a company... i would sign this. Vista is too new and it seems a lot of things don't work with it (ie: printers) why would i want to change all the computers in my network to vista only to find out i have to spend probably close to a $1Mil in copiers and such if they don't work.... now im sure they wont all have a problem but you have to look at all aspects of this... some vendors don't support vista... hell some don't even support 2000 but thats besides the point (we have an area with NT4 because the vendors software wont work on anything else) i see what your saying by delaying technical expansion... but the head ache isn't worth it to us enterprise IT people that have to deal with this stuff if we don't have to... i like xp it is a very nice OS and I think vista still has some issues... i know for a fact 1 major application we use will have a problem with vista.
 
Microsoft is hard at work developing their new desktop OS. It won't delay any technology with regard to their operating system. Removing the XP licenses is simply a marketing and sales strategy. When a consumer purchases a new computer with Vista installed, it counts as a Vista sale. Therefore, Microsoft can go about claiming millions of users have bought and love Vista, when, in fact, many have hated the OS and demanded that the manufacturers give them XP.

Maximum PC, a trusted source of information, IMO, still recommends XP for gaming. They hate Vista. Many of us that build gaming PC's (yes, I'm an exception) may want to purchase the XP system builders license from newegg when they build their new gaming rig. From what I understand, this license will be unavailable after June 30th.

Using Vista is a personal preference. I believe consumers, especially those that buy pre-built computers, should continue to have a choice in the OS they prefer to use.
 
if they force everyone to switch to Vista, then some will jump ship to another OS. Probably not every user, but some definitely will.
 
tlarkin said:
if they force everyone to switch to Vista, then some will jump ship to another OS. Probably not every user, but some definitely will.
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I dont see anyone running windows 95 anymore.. History is repeating itself... People upgraded their PC's, they will do it again. This seems like a continuing problem with M$.
 
I dont see anyone running windows 95 anymore
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Win95 wasn't exactly one of the brightest chapters in MS history... Many people do, however, still run 98 and have no problems doing so keeping up with technology. Granted, it's not as expandable as XP is, but it is do-able.

98 was the last MS OS I truly loved. If my career didn't require the tools XP has to offer on occasion, I would probably still be running 98 SE.
 
JLV2k5 said:
No one sign this. It is like delaying technology expansion. What kind of hypocrisy is that? Signing a petition for XP while running and using Vista?
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This is yet another huge misconception. Vista is not an advancement over XP. I can explain to you why till we are both blue in the face and still you will never listen. Go search through the countless threads on this forum where I clearly explain why its not. It is a cash cow, a money maker for the company.

Also, Vista doesn't advance any hardware at all, MS clearly dropped EFI support a year before its release. EFI is going to replace all the old and busted BIOS you find on PCs today. If anything, Vista is holding hardware back because EFI is awesome.

I also agree as a network admin myself with Quiltface, you cannot just deploy something like vista in your network. I for one can tell you everything it breaks off the bat in my environment and at the same time it offers the end user really no benefit at all.

Vista is a huge disappointment, and it is extremely bloated.
 
tlarkin said:
This is yet another huge misconception. Vista is not an advancement over XP. I can explain to you why till we are both blue in the face and still you will never listen. Go search through the countless threads on this forum where I clearly explain why its not. It is a cash cow, a money maker for the company.

Also, Vista doesn't advance any hardware at all, MS clearly dropped EFI support a year before its release. EFI is going to replace all the old and busted BIOS you find on PCs today. If anything, Vista is holding hardware back because EFI is awesome.

I also agree as a network admin myself with Quiltface, you cannot just deploy something like vista in your network. I for one can tell you everything it breaks off the bat in my environment and at the same time it offers the end user really no benefit at all.

Vista is a huge disappointment, and it is extremely bloated.
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Vista is the future. Everything is going to move to 64 bit programming. Games and media devices will capitalize on DX10 technology. There is no petition that can delay the advancement of Vista and have MS continue to sell XP.

mep916 said:
How does this delay technology expansion?



How am I a hypocrite?

XP is still an excellent OS and many people do not want to run Vista. Some have ran Vista and "downgraded" to XP due to problems they've had.
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This is the definition of hypocrisy, going against want you say or preach. You use Vista and are signing a petition that essentially goes against Vista.
 
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This is the definition of hypocrisy, going against want you say or preach. You use Vista and are signing a petition that essentially goes against Vista.
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Actually, it's not. I dislike Windows, but I use XP. Why? Because my job requires it. Am I a hypocrit as well?

<sips a diet Coke and watches intently from this point on>
 
He isn't saying Vista sucks, he is just saying that he would like to see the option available to people who need to use it.

Computers aren't all about games and media either, sure in your house yeah whatever, in the corporate world we really don't care for the average user.
 
JLV2k5 said:
Vista is the future. Everything is going to move to 64 bit programming. Games and media devices will capitalize on DX10 technology. There is no petition that can delay the advancement of Vista and have MS continue to sell XP.
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I will say this once more and then I am done. No vista is not the future, the future in hardware has to do with EFI - extensible firmware interface - google it. It allows OSes direct access to hardware via firmware interface, allowing for the snuffing of all drivers, no more boot sectors on the hard drive the motherboard will have a flash rom instead, no more messing with any of that over bloated crap. EFI also breaks the 16bit firmware application barrier allowing developers to develop 64 bit firmware driven application nested into the hardware itself. That way everything you would ever need be it a driver, API, instruction sets, utiltities will be built into the hardware itself. IBM and Apple are already using EFI, Microsoft was suppose to and they are holding back hardware advancements because they did not include it in Vista, so anyway, when Vienna comes out in 2009-2010 and actually has EFI support you will be forced to ugprade anyway.

Furthermore 64 bit is not quite yet the future. 64 bit has been out for a very long time and is not quite the future of desktop OSes. Developers still develop and will still continue to develop 32 bit applications for a long time from now. Also, MS did it the complete wrong way. Every other 64 bit OS out there has both 64 bit and 32 bit library files so you can run both at the same time. Where as MS just decides to have two different versions. Now if you want to say that 64 bit is the future of Server OSes, then yes I agree with you because all server side technology is pretty much 64 bit these days, with full on 64 bit support. Desktop OSes not so much.

Gaming is a niche market and DX10 actually lowers performance in Vista over gaming in DX9c in XP. You get average lower fps in vista with DX 10 and in some games it is not even noticeable differences in graphics. Google this as well and you will find many many articles that support this.

Vista is not even near the future it is just another Windows ME. When vienna comes out and EFI support is in full you all will be forced to buy complete new hardware that supports EFI technology.
 
JLV2k5 said:
No one sign this. It is like delaying technology expansion.
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How can this slow technology expansion, in fact it could help speed it up by getting Microsoft to improve on Vista. This will have the affect of enticeing XP users over to there new OS.

QUESTION - What stops anyone upgrading
ANSWER - Because there's nothing better as yet that would improve on what they do with it now.
 
JLV2k5 said:
Vista is the future. Everything is going to move to 64 bit programming. Games and media devices will capitalize on DX10 technology. There is no petition that can delay the advancement of Vista and have MS continue to sell XP.



This is the definition of hypocrisy, going against want you say or preach. You use Vista and are signing a petition that essentially goes against Vista.
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STFU and quit hijacking my thread. ;)
 
tlarkin said:
I will say this once more and then I am done. No vista is not the future, the future in hardware has to do with EFI - extensible firmware interface - google it. It allows OSes direct access to hardware via firmware interface, allowing for the snuffing of all drivers, no more boot sectors on the hard drive the motherboard will have a flash rom instead, no more messing with any of that over bloated crap. EFI also breaks the 16bit firmware application barrier allowing developers to develop 64 bit firmware driven application nested into the hardware itself. That way everything you would ever need be it a driver, API, instruction sets, utiltities will be built into the hardware itself. IBM and Apple are already using EFI, Microsoft was suppose to and they are holding back hardware advancements because they did not include it in Vista, so anyway, when Vienna comes out in 2009-2010 and actually has EFI support you will be forced to ugprade anyway.

Furthermore 64 bit is not quite yet the future. 64 bit has been out for a very long time and is not quite the future of desktop OSes. Developers still develop and will still continue to develop 32 bit applications for a long time from now. Also, MS did it the complete wrong way. Every other 64 bit OS out there has both 64 bit and 32 bit library files so you can run both at the same time. Where as MS just decides to have two different versions. Now if you want to say that 64 bit is the future of Server OSes, then yes I agree with you because all server side technology is pretty much 64 bit these days, with full on 64 bit support. Desktop OSes not so much.

Gaming is a niche market and DX10 actually lowers performance in Vista over gaming in DX9c in XP. You get average lower fps in vista with DX 10 and in some games it is not even noticeable differences in graphics. Google this as well and you will find many many articles that support this.

Vista is not even near the future it is just another Windows ME. When vienna comes out and EFI support is in full you all will be forced to buy complete new hardware that supports EFI technology.
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STFU and quit hijacking my thread.
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owned :cool:
 
yeah im not into the l337 stuff... and i dont really get the p being an o... but this is completely off subject... save xp!
 
Heh. Neither am I, but some of it is just too funny.

I agree, though, keep XP going for as long as we can!
 
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