xsreality
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ur computer is not powerful enough to handle it anyway.. let me tell you there are more people happy and enjoying vista than hating them... u r in the minority so consider again.
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ur computer is not powerful enough to handle it anyway.. let me tell you there are more people happy and enjoying vista than hating them... u r in the minority so consider again.
quagmondo23
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screw you
quagmondo23
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Vista's IS a good os, i'm just saying whats wrong with it. 95% of the time it works perfectly. I'm saying its crap compared to XP, suse (and ubuntu) on the same computer -no problem, and macs -no problems
tlarkin
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That is probably the dumbest reason to support an OS, or to tell someone they are wrong. Microsoft is the only company which requires such high specs to run. Every other OS out there can run on several year old hardware specs just fine, except for windows.
Cleric7x9
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that was one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. what exactly is the basis for your argument anyway? never in the history of computers has a consumer needed to buy brand new top of the line components to be able to properly run an OS anyway.
xsreality
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I am talking about OS'es from microsoft only... not linux/ubuntu... i rate ubuntu higher than any of the microsoft systems..
tlarkin said:
If you are supporting non-windows system, i am absolutely with u on dis... but when i hear ppl saying vista is crap w/o ever using it once then i can't agree with them.
Cleric7x9 said:
yup i agree it is one of the drawbacks of vista that it requires top of the line hardware to run it.. its sad that microsoft's monopoly has led to it making systems not in sync with the existing hardware of most consumers. there is always an alternative of mac and linux... bt again, if someone tries it on an incompatible system and faces BSOD screens (which one will always face with MS systems) and complains that vista is crap then will u agree? my only point is this... that vista works fine on a supported system, thats all.
KevinKevin
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I'm sorry, no other OS can compare to Windows. Windows is the best. Apple, Linux or Ubuntu are just incomparable to Windows. Period. Whether you need the best computer to run Windows or not, Windows is still the best.
tlarkin
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While I agree you can not technically compare all of them side by side because of the fundamental differences they have, I will disagree with most of what you said after that.
No OS is the best.
massahwahl
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Same here... never had it crash before :/
speedyink
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Theres no best OS, there is only a best OS for a certain individual. It's personal preference, thats all. It's like arguing that oranges are better than apples.
Vista tips:
if it crashes, it's your fault
(If you bought a prebuilt computer) uninstall ALL the software that the manufacturer put on (in a perfect world reinstall windows completely with an OEM disc). Manufacturers tend to put on software that doesn't sit well with windows.
Use built in programs as much as possible. No need for dvd burning software anymore.
Vista tips:
if it crashes, it's your fault
(If you bought a prebuilt computer) uninstall ALL the software that the manufacturer put on (in a perfect world reinstall windows completely with an OEM disc). Manufacturers tend to put on software that doesn't sit well with windows.
Use built in programs as much as possible. No need for dvd burning software anymore.
lovely?
Active Member
user error accounts for %99 of all airplane crashes, it is no different with computers. vista has never crashed once on me because of an error on its part, however it has crashed MANY times because of me 
and to say linux or XP wouldnt have crashed in the exact same circumstances is stupid.
and to say linux or XP wouldnt have crashed in the exact same circumstances is stupid.
tlarkin
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I agree user error accounts for a lot of things. However, when Joe Blow consumer installs Vista on his machine and then downloads new drivers from the official website say for his, printer or scanner. Installs them and when he tries to print, the whole system crashes.
How is that his fault, he was doing what everyone told him to do?
How is that his fault, he was doing what everyone told him to do?
speedyink
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Because Vista as it comes will not crash. It's when people start adding sketchy 3rd party programs, crappy antivirus programs, sketchy drivers for chinese devices, etc. that Vista will crash. Same thing goes for XP so the argument that Vista crashes more is moot. In fact Vista has crashed far less than XP did for me.
tlarkin
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OK, but that is the developers fault for making a crap program not the end user. Plus since Windows is so broad you could have a driver that works flawless with your hardware config but with mine it fails every now and then and crashes.
I read that something like 45% of Vista crashes are due to bad drivers.
Irishwhistle
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Finally! Someone with a little common sense! If everyone had that simple idea in their head these "Windows is better than mac so screw you" threads would never happen. It's all about preference... if you've got a good computer and like MS, get Vista. If you like Mac get Mac, but just because you like it doesn't make it better. Same goes for Linux.
speedyink
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I don't think I've ever seen a case where a printer driver causes it to crash. A more valid point would be if someone bought an mp3 player made in deep china, installs the driver disc and then it crashes whenever it's plugged in.
It's still not the fault of the OS.
A. it's a cheap product, you get what you pay for
B. the consumer should know this which ultimately does make it the consumers fault.
I never have Vista crash due to anything related to that. I make sure to buy quality hardware from manufacturers I trust. It's not exactly a hard thing to do, people are just too dumb to do any sort of research at all with what they're buying.
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tlarkin
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I haven't used Vista all that much in the last year, but when it first came out in what January 2006? I had it on a HP business class desktop with 2 gigs of RAM and a mid range ATI DX9 video card. It was for testing.
I had like easily 15 device drivers crash the OS. Wacom tablets were one, a few network printer drivers were some others. I had office 2k3 crash every time it tried to load a few certain fonts, multiple scanners from the art department didn't work, smart board technology (used in class rooms) totally crashed.
When we evaluated such a huge network wide upgrade we had to look at it from all users perspectives. Will all this technology the users currently use, work well in Vista? The answer was no.
Granted some things worked right of the box. We had these USB doc cams that worked pretty well. Most digital cameras worked no issue.
However, I saw so many crashes and conflicts. The scope of technology really is huge. I mean there are 1000s of hardware devices I will never ever use. Like will you buy a USB electron microscope? I am going to guess, probably not, but those didn't work in Vista either.
So, yeah I saw tons and tons of problems that Vista created that XP never had, and it was the stability and the third party compatibility. Now, that was a few years ago, and I am sure both Vista and the developers of such items has vastly improved. However, all of those faults are not the end users they are Microsoft's and the developers of third party products.
speedyink
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I see your point. In microsofts defense, adding more support for more older hardware devices would add to the bloat of the OS. Would you rather have more bloat or more plug and play compatibility for older devices? Really it's the hardware manufacturers that should have these drivers available for download from the website. While I agree in cases like that it's not the consumers fault, I still think it's up to the consumer to check whether or not their existing hardware is compatible with Vista BEFORE they install it, and whether or not they'd be willing to upgrade to a newer model that is Vista compatible.
I can't wait till microsoft does what apple did with OSX and completely rebuilds the OS from ground up. Sure it will destroy any backwords compatibility, but it's about time they started from scratch. I really hope thats what windows 7 is about.
I can't wait till microsoft does what apple did with OSX and completely rebuilds the OS from ground up. Sure it will destroy any backwords compatibility, but it's about time they started from scratch. I really hope thats what windows 7 is about.
tlarkin
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Well with windows you already get a bloat via compatibility mode and the registry.
I agree, I hope Vienna is actually what Vista was suppose to be. If you look at Vista though, they are definitely migrating towards a more Unix-like file structure. They now have gotten rid of power users and all the other ridiculous user accounts they had set up, they now require authentication to install software (which is like a HUGE security plus), and you are no longer required to be an admin level user to run programs.
Oh and having MS office 2k3 crash when loading certain fonts, that were freaking developed by MS, in an MS program running on an MS operating system, and it doesn't work? Seriously, what does that say about their quality control?
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