Are Power supplies complicated?

mofopopocho

New Member
I'm trying to make my first computer, but I think there are definitely things I'm not thinking about because I don't know them. If I buy a Power Supply with 700-800W and +12V rails do I not need to worry about compatibility? From what I've seen it seems that most systems use 12V rails and if I go as high as 700W I shouldn't have insufficient power problems, am I right assuming this?
 
Well, you seem a little vague and misguided...let me explain it all.

First you should know this: a PSU is not like the next PSU, the £100 onesa are that expensive for a reason...that reason is that they work proeperly how they should. Your £30 or ones that come in a case are a pile of garbage. I can't even begin to stress how pricee=quality in PSU more than probably any other component.


Now that that is done, what you need in a PSU and what to look for. The PSU wattage is the highest possible wattage that unit can output, however not all units can sustain that output, a £130 850W PSU can easily handle full load, a £20 850W PSU can't hardly handle 50% load.

12V rails are the ones that you are interested in, the ampage on them to be more precise. If you are running a modern day gaming graphics card, 8600, 8800, 9800, 200 series etc you will ned atleast 30A on the 12V rail(s).

If you have compined 12V rails, so more than 1 12V rail, they don't add up, a PSU with 2 30A 12V rails doesn't mean it has 60A, it means each rail can handle 30A at most.

That last thing is important because when one peaks and tries to go higher it can't and the PSU shuts down, as does your system. If you have 1 dedicated 12V rail at 70A then it can handle up to 70A of hardware before it cuts out....that is alot in a computer.

As for compatability, it depends on your motherboard and video cards:

The motherboard has 2 connectors for the power supply, either a 20 or 24 pin connector and either a 4 or 8 pin connector. Most power supplies now come with a 20+4 and 4+4 pin connector. What this means is that it can be used on any motherboard because it has 20 pins and then an aditional 4 pins which can be clipped on to give you 20 pins+4 more, 24 pins altogether. Same idea for 4+4, it is the same as having a 4 and 8 pin connector that you can change.

For the video cards, some more modern video cards have ther own power connectors. If this is the case you will need to make sure that your power supply has these connectors. They come in 6 and 8 pin varrieties and again alot of power supplies now give 6+2 pin connectors for greater compatability. The video card cables are called PCI-E pins.

If you keep all of that in mind, you should be able to gete a solid power supply that is compatible with your rig, and remember that first thing i said, PRICE=QUALITY. Don't go and get a cheap PSU that is 750W and think it will act like a 750W PSU, it won't, it will at best be like a 500W, the more expensive 750W PSUs are capable of running at 750W under load and still provide clean power and not overheat
 
I'm trying to make my first computer, but I think there are definitely things I'm not thinking about because I don't know them. If I buy a Power Supply with 700-800W and +12V rails do I not need to worry about compatibility? From what I've seen it seems that most systems use 12V rails and if I go as high as 700W I shouldn't have insufficient power problems, am I right assuming this?

Really depends on the rig, what kinda specs are you looking at building and we could help ya out with your power requirements;)
 
I can't find anything about that 4+4/8 pin on the motherboard specs.

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...ist=Combo.190227--------------Motherboard+CPU $534

GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130468------------------------Video Card------$130

Patriot 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220367------------------------RAM-------------$90

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284------------------------HardDrive-------$100

SIGMA MONSTER SP750C 750W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V 2.2V / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817226008------------------------PowerSupply-----$115

XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103011------------------------Case------------$110

The biggest problem I'm having is how do I figure out how many rails I need and of what voltage and amps for my system?
 
I switched to this power supply instead, since I don't know enough I went with the best reviews. And it has the 20+4 and 4/8 pins along with a 12V@60A rail. But I still have no idea how many rails I need and all that.

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006------------------------PowerSupply-----$120
 
you can work out the PSU you need without understanding 12V rails. All video cards come with a rating of how many amps they need at the very least on the 12V rails. Lets say as an example that a card needs 26A, you could get a 30A PSU and it would power the graphics card and everything else. If you went dual card then you would have to make sure you have either 2 30A 12V rails or 1 60A dedicated rail. The 60A dedicated rail is better because you will not have 60A coming out of your PSU so it gives it room to fluctuate a little with load without shutting out, whereas the 2 30A 12V rails would be near 30A on each rail so would have less room to fluctuate with load so have more chance of cutting out. It won't cut out if it is high quality, but it can be put under more strain with a single dedicated 12V rail.

As for your motherboard, the 4+4 pin powers your CPU and is 99% of the time next to the processor on the mobo. The one on the motherboard you have chosen is 8 pin.

02.jpg


if you look on this image you will see to the right of the chipset heatsink to the top right of the processor 4 white pins with what appears to be a little plastic stopper/protector or something similar. This the 4+4 pin connector.

I don't know this motherboard too well, i have never used one, seen one, read up on one etc, but it has 8 pins so i would go with 8, why though 4 are filled in on 9 out of 10 pictures though, i am not sure, i think they are all running off the same picture so that will probably be why, but all 8 pins are there so take it as 8 pin or 4+4.

The voltage won't change, it is always 12V rails that you need to look at the amps on, 5V is for the 4+4 pin and doesn't have much of an impact
 
I switched to this power supply instead, since I don't know enough I went with the best reviews. And it has the 20+4 and 4/8 pins along with a 12V@60A rail. But I still have no idea how many rails I need and all that.

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006------------------------PowerSupply-----$120

How much can you get the TX850 for? It has a litte extra juice for a little more money and has more connectors and more upgradeability.

Corsair though are a rock solid brand, outstanding build quality and will do exactly as it says, very good choice if i may say so :P

=EDIT=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

There it is on newegg
 
Last edited:
If the board has a 8 pin CPU power connector and has a plug covering 4. Its usually the manufactures way of letting up now it will run with just a 4 pin CPU power connector. But if I was buying a Power Supply I would get one with a 8 pin for it.
 
If the board has a 8 pin CPU power connector and has a plug covering 4. Its usually the manufactures way of letting up now it will run with just a 4 pin CPU power connector. But if I was buying a Power Supply I would get one with a 8 pin for it.

nice one ;) I learned something new today about a board i will probably never get :P
 
I think I get it now, so each color is a rail. And some parts of a computer need power such as the motherboard and Video Card. The five Voltage@Amp ratings are referring to those wires and higher amps means less chance of a lack of amps to the parts. If that's right then thanks for the help, I think I can do this without messing up now.
 
I don't quite get what you mean by the different colours? do you mean the wires?

If so that isn't right, but doesn't matter, you will be able to see what wire goes where when you actually have the unit.

The motherboard needs power to power the stuff on it, chipsets, RAM, processor etc. Hard drives and optical devices get their own, that is what SATA cables and molex cables are for. Some, not all, video cards need PCI-E dedicated power input, again, when you actually have the parts you will be able to see it clearly.

Basically though, if you go with either the TX750 or TX850 your rig will be safe and sound, will have enough power and upgradeability

=900th post=
 
Back
Top