Bluray vs HD DVD

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I'm thinking they're going to die out before long... I don't know why this technology keeps getting pushed, we haven't even perfected DVD drives.

TV's under 37¨ don't need the added quality as the res is too low to notice, in fact I found to picture from an upscaling DVD player far nicer to watch than a blueray disk in a ps3. We as people don't need 25gb disks, a DVD is plenty, and within a few years we're all gonna be buying our software over the net and downloading it. Fair enough, you have a 50¨ screen and you want to best picture, and yes, if you want to back up your entire computer it makes a bit of sense (although an external HD is cheap and much faster).

Quite why sony and whoever it is had to make to rival formats I don't know, the DVD is well established like the CD, (and while we could be listening to far higher quality music, no-one cares, infact everyone seems happy with a shit sounding mp3), and full on attempts to replace that have gone O so well (SACD??)..

Anyway, I've started drinking early, sorry for the rant
 
Interesting thread mate, you have brought up some very valid points like
no-one cares, infact everyone seems happy with a shit sounding mp3
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Ok not everyone but I'm happy with mp3 same as a massive amount of people do. HD DVD and Blu ray... think Blu ray have the "winning" format at the minute (could be wrong??) but whats Blu ray gonna be in 10 years...?

We still use projection at cinemas and I still am a fan of going to watch films there.

Think at the end of the day its all about marketing and money.
 
I must say i have a regular dvd playet with regular dvd's surroundsound hooked up via HDMI and its amazing i dont see how it could be any better with the extra cash and i'm sure as hell not going to buy all new dvd's for that purpose...
 
Blu-Ray has pretty much already won the battle. Most big companies are switching over to Blu-Ray but don't expect it to be the standard anytime soon. Maybe within the next couple of years. I'm still sticking to DVD for now :).

I don't know about you but I notice a HUGE difference between Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and regular DVD.

You say that the CD is established. Well it wasn't, years ago. The cassette tape is to DVD as the CD is to Blu-Ray/HD-DVD in my opinon.
 
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Upscaling DVD player vs Bluray on a 37¨ tv or less, there is no obvious difference. It's change for changes sake, DVD is easilly good enough.

And tape and CD is completely different. That was the advent of digital, the quality difference was huge, it lasted much longer and had instant seek times. All bluray offers over DVD is increased storage and therefore 'better' quality, but it's all so tight now that any difference in picture quality is virtually unnoticeable.

And at the end of the day you're still limited to 25gb. Streaming film, which WILL be the standard in a few years will only be limited by the connection speed.

Say we all have a good solid 20mb per second connections in 5 years; that equates to 1.2gb per min, or 72gb per hour. That's already a huge potential leap up from bluray.
 
1080p is 1080p is 1080p regardless of what media you play it from.

To me if you set a DVD, HD DVD, and Blu Ray side by side by side in a pepsi challenge sort of way you can't really even tell the difference.

Best Buy and Nebraska Furniture Mart had this set up and I looked at all three playing the exact same movie on a HD 1080p TV.

I noticed one very small difference, on a regular old DVD whenever it displayed true black versus the HD and the BR, you could see a difference (very very slight most people won't notice) of quality. This is because with higher capacity discs the need for compression goes away. Compression only really affects true black. LCDs can't even display true black so it doesn't really matter on them, but on DLP or CRT TVs, it does.

I would also like to comment that compression technology has gotten tons better, and we don't need BR or HD DVD capacity wise because nothing really requires it at all. However, our economy is solely based on consumers constantly buying things. DVDs have gotten dirt cheap, it is time for industry to move on. Our economy is a very linear system with lots of faults, and until that changes you will see this trend forever.
 
I bought a 50" Samsung this week and the Blu-Ray movies are simply awesome. I'm guessing the same is true with the HD-DVD platform. Regular DVD's look awful due to the size of the TV and the 480i resolution. The PS3 does not upscale standard DVD's. Since I have so many standard DVD's, I'll probably buy an upscaler.

I agree with tlarkin with regard to the economy and the endless "upgrade/better technology" cycle. It will never end...
 
yeah, with my 50" Samsung plasma the HD channels look strikingly better than my HDMI upconverted DVD's. I don't think I'll be getting an HD player for about 2 years if I had to guess.
 
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yeah, with my 50" Samsung plasma the HD channels look strikingly better than my HDMI upconverted DVD's.
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Really? How do the DVD's look with a standard DVD player compared to the HDMI converter? Right now, my DVD's are running at 480i and I assumed I would receive 1080i with an upconverter and HDMI cable. Doesn't that make a big difference?
 
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Really? How do the DVD's look with a standard DVD player compared to the HDMI converter? Right now, my DVD's are running at 480i and I assumed I would receive 1080i with an upconverter and HDMI cable. Doesn't that make a big difference?
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yeah, with my 50" Samsung plasma the HD channels look strikingly better than my HDMI upconverted DVD's. I don't think I'll be getting an HD player for about 2 years if I had to guess.
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The DVD itself is only a certain resolution, 480i. Those "upconverter" DVD players don't actually increase the quality, and is no where near as good as the 1080i they claim, it's basically just stretched to fill out the entire space of a 1080i screen.
 
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The DVD itself is only a certain resolution, 480i.
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Yeah, I understand that. I thought the upscalers had technology that enabled higher resolutions. I guess I'll buy one, try it out, and take it back if I'm unhappy with the picture.
 
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Yeah, I understand that. I thought the upscalers had technology that enabled higher resolutions. I guess I'll buy one, try it out, and take it back if I'm unhappy with the picture.
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From what I hear it looks a bit better, but you can't take a low resolution video, upscale it to a high resolution video, and expect it to look like true 720p/1080i resolution.
 
We as people don't need 25gb disks
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Speak for yourself, I'll take what I can get :D The same was said about CDRs - who would ever need 650/700 MB of data? And the first CD writer that I had cost $400+, so things do eventually become mainstream and drop in price. That said, I'll stick with DVDs until either I buy a large HDTV or the price of a drive gets near $100. For those of you using/buying upscaling DVD players - you might consider an HTPC. You can customize it to do almost anything and it already upscales; and when you decide to go BR/HD just add the drive.
 
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Speak for yourself, I'll take what I can get :D The same was said about CDRs - who would ever need 650/700 MB of data? And the first CD writer that I had cost $400+, so things do eventually become mainstream and drop in price. That said, I'll stick with DVDs until either I buy a large HDTV or the price of a drive gets near $100. For those of you using/buying upscaling DVD players - you might consider an HTPC. You can customize it to do almost anything and it already upscales; and when you decide to go BR/HD just add the drive.
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Storage, yes possibly but even then anything that is mass in back up is stored either on a HD via rysnc or backed up to tape. I don't really know any optimal back up solutions that use optical disc media.

As for application goes, that is not needed at all. No game, movie, or application would require 50gigs of space, and if it did that developer did not take advantage of any compression technology out there.
 
Well, the format war is almost over. Lee Koo said in the latest CNET Newsletter that Warner Bros. just canned the HD DVD idea and switched to Bluray. It does look like Bluray will come out on top.

I personally can't wait to get my own Bluray player and a good surround system. Last April, we moved up from our 29" Sony flatscreen tube T.V. and got a Samsung 57" 1080i DLP TV Here. It has great HD quality, so a Bluray player would be worth it.
I want to get Planet Earth the most!
The Matrix series would also be amazing in Bluray!:cool:
 
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Storage, yes possibly but even then anything that is mass in back up is stored either on a HD via rysnc or backed up to tape. I don't really know any optimal back up solutions that use optical disc media.
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I’m not even talking about backing data up; for my system that would take way too many disks even at 25 GB a disk. I just move around a lot of data between computers sometimes and having everything on a single disc would be convenient.

As for application goes, that is not needed at all. No game, movie, or application would require 50gigs of space, and if it did that developer did not take advantage of any compression technology out there.
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I would agree with you except that the same thing has been said for every form of media. Eventually, there will be programs or games that will need that much space. To me it’s just a matter of whether or not Blu-Ray or HD will be established or will another better technology come along, or, as someone mentioned, maybe everything can and will be done with only hard drives and the internet.
 
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I’m not even talking about backing data up; for my system that would take way too many disks even at 25 GB a disk. I just move around a lot of data between computers sometimes and having everything on a single disc would be convenient.
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Hence my comment about tape or rysnc to an array of HDs

I would agree with you except that the same thing has been said for every form of media. Eventually, there will be programs or games that will need that much space. To me it’s just a matter of whether or not Blu-Ray or HD will be established or will another better technology come along, or, as someone mentioned, maybe everything can and will be done with only hard drives and the internet.
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Ok, Crysis, which is like the biggest baddest video game ever, only requires 6 gigs of HD space. It will take a while before we start requiring 20+ gigs for applications and games. When we hit that point we are talking like billions of lines of code per an application too, plus media files.

Compression technology also gets better and better each year. I don't see this happening anytime in the near future.
 
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