Building a CAD/Photo Editing PC

BearLeeAlive

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I am about to put together a PC and could use some input. There are way to many options for me to wade through and to little time in my schedule to learn all I need to know.

The main use for this PC photo (and soon maybe video) editing and CAD design. I will also use MS Office quite a bit and do lots of net surfing. I don't do my gaming that requires lots of graphics.

I would be willing to spend $2,500 US ($3,000 CDN) before tax. This is to include the XP Pro and MS Office Pro.

I am looking for all hardware to include keyboard & mouse and 20-21" LCD monitor.

I want a fair bit of space on the hard drive as my photos are large files. I am thinking I need at least 400 GB. Should I consider 2 hard drives? I do use an external for backup.

For memory I was thinking 1-2 GB

I am unsure about a Intel vs AMD CPU.

There is just way too much info out there for me to make my way through in any reasonable ammount of time.

Please let me know if any additional info is needed. I am open to all suggestions.

Thanks,
Jim
 
I am unsure about a Intel vs AMD CPU.
Your needs are intels strong point. An AMD opteron worksation would also be good, but it might be more expensive. Wait for some other people to reply before you make your decision though.
 
I am running SoftPlan for a CAD program which does 3D rendering as well as TurboCAD. For photo editting I am using Photoshop CS2 and various other editing programs. This is often combined with a few different MS Office files open at one time while working on them. I use a Excel based estimating program that really hogs memory, just saving the file takes up to 20 sec on my current platform which is a Pentium 4 2.6 Ghz with 512k ram.
 
I would be willing to spend $2,500 US ($3,000 CDN) before tax.
Correct me if I'm wrong, you guys only pay GST? (if so, lucky bastards).
Heres a basic box to consider:


Alternatively we can up the ante a bit and do SMP; i didnt up the HDD because the case is gonna kill the rest of the budget

Or the Xeon route,
 
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Praetor,

Thanks for the quick response and sorry for my slow one, business is busy. You have given me a few options I am trying to figure out. Yes, we here in Alberta only pay the 7% GST. Besides tax means nothing to me inside my business, I collect it, subtract what I spent and send them the difference.

Excuse my lack of knowledge with a couple questions I have.

-Is the power supply and fan not included with the case or would it be best to make sure I get one without them? Is Antec a good case?
-I assume dual hard drives is better, why is this?
-Is the video card a big issue with my requirements or is having enough memory the biggest concern?
-What is the advantage to the last 2 sytems you suggested over the first one? Is it something that would drastically increase performace? I still need to get the OS, MS Office and keyboard and mouse into the equation.
-Is Computer Canada the best place to buy, somone had mentioned they bought through NCIX.com and were happy.
-What is SMP?
-If I buy components from one supplier will they assemble it for me (again the time issue thing for me).
-Is it a good idea to install a card reader rather than have a free standing one?

I also want a set of speakers for moderate volume at best mostly for music play. Is it

I do want this system to last for some time and at least be upgradeable.

Praetor, what part of the country do you hail from?
 
-Is the power supply and fan not included with the case or would it be best to make sure I get one without them? Is Antec a good case?
If you've got time, have a read through PSU 101 to see how you can pick out a good PSU from a bad one. As for PSUs that come with cases, some are good, some arent. Rest assured the PSU Ive picked out is absolutely solid (running a pair of them here myself).

I assume dual hard drives is better, why is this?
- You can do neato things when you have more than one drive ... since you're business oriented you may be interested in RAID1 ...the contents of drive1 is mirrored realtime onto drive2 (so if you lose a drive, you dont lose your data). This is an (initially) cheap solution however if you want to scale this concept it becomes quite expensive (you need to buy 2x as many drives as u need space ... if you do want to look at this, consider RAID5 which needs x+1 drives). For more, look at RAID 101
- The price jump from 250GB to 300GB (or higher) wasnt worth it ... the sweetspot (IMO) is the 250GB drive. Thus, to get more space, get more drives :)

Is the video card a big issue with my requirements or is having enough memory the biggest concern?
The videocard is the least of my concerns and I cant stress this enough .. dont let some customer sales rep push you into spending money here .. for what you are doing the emphasis is CPU + ram (for actually doing the editing) and then HDD (to save all this). Video card plays freaking no role. So suffice it to say, "get the cheapest compatible videocard u can"

What is the advantage to the last 2 sytems you suggested over the first one? Is it something that would drastically increase performace? I still need to get the OS, MS Office and keyboard and mouse into the equation.
- The first system is dual core ... which means your system can handle two execution threads concurrently ... but this isnt perfect ... each processing core still has to share access to memory with the other core.
- The second system is "perfect" as far as two-thread handling is concerned: each processor only has one core but has 100% access to it's own dedicated memory controller. (If you had a bigger budget and/or needed much more processing power I would have put in two dual-core Opterons ... each physical chip has the limitation as described in the previous point but you've got 4-thread handling capacity)
- The flaw in the last system is that each processing unit, in order to access memory, needs to communicate through a 800MHz system bus (the previous two solutions access the memory controller effectively directly without having to 'go through anything'). Between option1 and option3, the option3 is "true" 2-thread handling (i.e., physical processors vs cores) ... as well as, if you decided to expand, the Xeon route is much more scalable for beginners (i.e., lots of people running multi-CPU Xeon rigs ... not necesarily because they are better ... but they are cheaper/easier to scale/handle IMO).
- For more, read up in CPU 101

Is Computer Canada the best place to buy, somone had mentioned they bought through NCIX.com and were happy.
There is no "best" place to buy really as, well, market dynamics constantly cause prices to change. I personally shop there for stuff I dont buy at computer shows but I do shop wherever prices take me (reason i used CC as an example was because i shop there enough i know their entire pricing scheme like the back of my hand thus saving me effort to search prices ... the upside is that the prices arent bad)

What is SMP?
Symmetric multiprocessing ... having two physical CPUs

If I buy components from one supplier will they assemble it for me (again the time issue thing for me).
Depends on the store. This is why i like small one-man shops ... yes you gotta be careful so you dont get ripped off but the upside is you can walk in, order totally custom parts and for like $50, they'll assemble it for you ... no need to pick and choose parts out of a tiny list if you buy say from the bigger stores. Again, shop around.

Is it a good idea to install a card reader rather than have a free standing one?
I dunno what kind of photo editing you do (since i dont imagine CAD stuff is often done with portable storage) but I used to do digital photography + editing as a job and I didnt use any other media than compact flash (as was dictated by the camera, Canon EOS1DS) so if you're in the situation that you need to interface with a specific type of camera, have a look to see what kind of media that camera uses. If you dont have that option (or want to be prepared), have a look at the "billion-in-one" card readers (they are usually external so you can interface it with whatever PC you connect to) ... there are a bunch here

I also want a set of speakers for moderate volume at best mostly for music play. Is it
Well theres something basic like Logitech S100 2.0 Speakers ($13.99) or you can step it up a notch to something like Logitech X230 2.1 Speakers ($47.00). Kinda depends on what you want

I do want this system to last for some time and at least be upgradeable.
Depending on what you mean by "for some time" that may or may not be doable.

Praetor, what part of the country do you hail from?
The land of PST. Ontario.
 
Praetor, thanks for you input, things are now clearing up somewhat in my wee mind.

Someone on a photography forum had suggested using a dedicated cache drive like the Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache. I do not fully understand why, I believe it was meant for running the OS on separately.

I can now study your recommendations and better understand what I am looking at and the choices I need to make.

Jim
 
Someone on a photography forum had suggested using a dedicated cache drive like the Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache. I do not fully understand why, I believe it was meant for running the OS on separately.
IMO, you shouldnt watse your money on that drive ... it's a solid drive dont get me wrong, but you'll probably benifit more from the larger capacity 16MB cache drives I've specified. See HDD 101


But, yes you should put your OS on a separate drive (or partition at least)
 
One thing I do not agree with praetor. Video cards do play a important role in video, photo and CAD. That's why they make dedicated workstation graphics cards for those things. A cheaper Quattro or FireGL card would suffice for most things he would do. I went with the normal gaming route because my gaming interests were higher priority than my video editing interests
 
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One thing I do not agree with praetor. Video cards do play a important role in video, photo and CAD. That's why they make dedicated workstation graphics cards for those things. A cheaper Quattro or FireGL card would suffice for most things he would do. I went with the normal gaming route because my gaming interests were higher priority than my video editing interests
Cards like those are mostly used for 3D rendering with programs like Maya. True, he would see an increase in performance by using a workstation card, but for those tasks the emphasis is on the RAM/CPU, like Prator said.
 
Video cards do play a important role in video, photo and CAD. That's why they make dedicated workstation graphics cards for those things.
You are right about Quadro/FireGL for [very serious] CAD work ... but absolutely not for photoediting (although when i answered i forgot to qualify my answer by limiting it's scope to photoediting part of his requirements). As a correction to my original reply: a workstation class card is what you should be shooting for if you want to be doing very heavy CAD work however I'm not sure if what you're doing actually warrants for that stuff. AFAIK, the workstation cards are more oriented for renderings rather than line schematics. So yeah i suppose i should inquire as to how intense your CAD work extends?

I went with the normal gaming route because my gaming interests were higher priority than my video editing interests
Well gaming cards provide plenty of acceleration for video editing work (i.e., OpenGL acceleration in Premier is provided by the VC) but in this case, neither CAD (if it's not super intense) nor photo editing are impacted seriously by the videocard
 
I use solid edge on both my desktop and on the computers here at school, the ones the University buys are all dells with integrated graphics and the 3D CAD really stresses it. On the other hand I have an x800xl and the program doesn't even cause my temperatures to rise in my comp, and it's obviously not meant for CAD work specifically, so like Praetor said, unless he's doing some serious CAD work, he won't need too much in the video card section
 
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