General Celeron Questions

SlothX311

SlothX311

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ok i have a few questions for the Intel savy techies out there...im an AMD guy, until recently so i just need to clear a few things up about Intel....

1. Why does Celeron get such a bad wrap? i mean i know that they have really really low L1 and L2 cache but like thier still 400 Mhz FSB, and they dont really run that hot....so is it all because of the cache? the reason i ask why the get a bad wrap is due to the feedback you hear amungst the "fanboys" if you will, someone will say "oh, i brought my moms computer to this LAN party.....", or family computer whatever, then list all of the specs and if theres a celeron in it people will almost instinctivly say "oh dude....celeron......sorry".....Dell uses Celeron so i just wana know why the get such a bad wrap

2. Do the Northwood core celerons/ Pentium 4's tend to run hotter or colder than the Prescotts?

3. 2.6. Ghz Celeron....worth the money or just get 2 Ghz Pentium 4?
 
oh yeah forgot to add another question......

4. when i run diaxdiag (however the eff you spell it) my 1.7 Ghz Celeron shows up as a 1.833Ghz Pentium 4...anyone want to shed some light on this
 
1. Why does Celeron get such a bad wrap? I mean I know that they have really really low L1 and L2 cache but like thier still 400 Mhz FSB, and they dont really run that hot....so is it all because of the cache? the reason I ask why the get a bad wrap is due to the feedback you hear amungst the "fanboys" if you will, someone will say "oh, I brought my moms computer to this LAN party.....", or family computer whatever, then list all of the specs and if theres a celeron in it people will almost instinctivly say "oh dude....celeron......sorry".....Dell uses Celeron so I just wana know why the get such a bad wrap
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It gets a bad rap because (for the most part) kids-who-have-their-parents-buy-them-top-of-the-line-systems (yes im stereotyping but not all that much ... I went through highschool :P) see the performance drop from the "full Pentium system" to the "Celeron system" -- and rightly so:

Pentium4 Series
FSB = 100,133,200, 266
L2 Cache = 256K, 512K, 1MB, 2MB (soon)
L3 Cache = 2MB on select models
Features: MMX/MMX+/SSE/SSE2/SSE3, Hyperthreading, Dual Core, PAT

Pentium4-Celeron Series
FSB = 100, 133
L2 Cache = 128K
L3 Cache = none
Features: MMX/MMX+/SSE/SSE2/SSE3

And the thing about L2 cache is that, unlike AMD's architecture which isnt so cache-dependent, the Pentium design is very cache/predictor dependent so the greater the cache deficiet, the greater the performance drop. This begs a question: why make Celeron systems to start with?
- SFF/HTPC systems ... you dont need a full-blown Pentium4 system to do movie playback
- Terminal stations
- "basic computers"
- Office computers

The only arenas where the Celeron line takes a serious beating are (1) gaming and (2) heavy industry and there are two comments about that:
1. The reason the Celeron takes a bad rap is because "kids" (as per above :P .. damn im cynical) just play games and obviously anything that isnt top-of-the-line must suck
2. In a commercial/serious environment, the lack of performance with the Celerons in applications can get in the way of productivity ... then again in serious environments, they have IT staff to manage this kind of stuff (and they wont be putting Celeron systems to work as rendering platforms)

2. Do the Northwood core celerons/ Pentium 4's tend to run hotter or colder than the Prescotts?
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Yes and no. Its not really a fair comparision to comapre temperatures across core platforms since [1] Prescotts tend to be higher clocked and [2] Prescotts came in two variants, the S478 (hot) and the S775 (cold)

3. 2.6. Ghz Celeron....worth the money or just get 2 Ghz Pentium 4?
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Depends on the core and depends on the intention. You're prolly better off with the Celeron but thats without knowing the core's involved.

4. when I run diaxdiag (however the eff you spell it) my 1.7 Ghz Celeron shows up as a 1.833Ghz Pentium 4...anyone want to shed some light on this
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DXDiag is gay and cant read. Or something to that effect


.... on a lighter note, you've been here for almost 400 posts ... this should be in CPU section :P
 
Mostly because of the gamers out there who tried to play games with celerons (i was one of those people) and i really see the difference between a celeron and a P4, also pentium 4's transcode dvd's much faster then celerons, i think its because of the cache, but not sure.
 
also pentium 4's transcode dvd's much faster then celerons
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Well ya absolutely full Pentiums are much more capable :) As for gaming, crap, if my friend can play Doom3 on a AthlonXP-1400 with a GeForce2MX .... Celerons cant be that bad :P
 
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Well ya absolutely full Pentiums are much more capable :) As for gaming, crap, if my friend can play Doom3 on a AthlonXP-1400 with a GeForce2MX .... Celerons cant be that bad :P
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lol
 
I had this question also. People said that my celly D and my Radeon 9250 suck, but Halo, Unreal Tourny 2004. Half Life 2 and Deus Ex: Invisible war all run just fine. And my CPU temp is hovering at around 34*C. I like my celeron a lot. It's cheap, and it works.
 
said that my celly D and my Radeon 9250 suck, but Halo, Unreal Tourny 2004. Half Life 2 and Deus Ex: Invisible war all run just fine
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Yes they run fine ... but at what quality settings? :)
 
Depends on the core and depends on the intention. You're prolly better off with the Celeron but thats without knowing the core's involved.
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the 2GHz P4 will be a P4A (Northwood) and the 2.6 Celeron isn't likely to be a Prescott core but even if it is the P4 is probably the better choice
 
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