GTX 460 1GB or HD 6850?

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Hi, some time ago I started this thread http://www.computerforum.com/204169-good-build.html and come with a build. Like this:

CPU: Bulldozer 4100
Motherboard: Gigabyte 970A D3
GPU: Powercolor 6790
Case: HAF 912 (maybe)
PSU: Seasonic 520W (Changed it)
RAM: G Skill 4GBx2 1600
HDD: Samsung Sata 500GB
ODD: LG DVD/RW 22x
Monitor: ViewSonic 19" LCD At 720p

I heard that for a little bit more, you can get GTX 460 or 6850 with a decent performance increase.

But I don't know what should I choose, I found a very good card Right here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161363

I know that the top one is out of stock.

So, Should I get 6850 or wait for the 460 to stock and get it? Or get to another store and search for the same card when they have it at stock?
 
No man

i Think I need some coolers like cyclone/DirectII/IceQ/TwinFrozer because I want to do some Over clocking right here. And 6870 that has non-reference cooler are much more expensive than these. So what I should choose? 6850 or 460?
 
I've owned both the 460 and a 6850. Honestly I'd take the 460 because I prefer Nvidia's driver suite. No other reason.
 
NVIDIA's control panel is (IMO) way better than Catalyst control centre or whatever it's called - CCC just looks and feels really amateurish and out of place. However, I've generally found the drivers to be reasonably stable (there's been a couple of updates that constantly caused BSODs at boot on a desktop with a 4670 but removing them and installing an older version wasn't really a hassle - never had any issues with other cards).
 
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What perform better actually?
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The 6850 does, but I'd take the 460 and a slight hit in performance for a better driver suite.

hackapelite said:
NVIDIA's control panel is (IMO) way better than Catalyst control centre or whatever it's called - CCC just looks and feels really amateurish and out of place. However, I've generally found the drivers to be reasonably stable (there's been a couple of updates that constantly caused BSODs at boot on a desktop with a 4670 but removing them and installing an older version wasn't really a hassle - never had any issues with other cards).
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Pretty much this, though I've only ever had driver issues when cards were new, for example the 5xxx series grey screen of death issue.
 
Now I use both Nvidia and AMD cards. What is better in the Nivida driver suite then the AMD. Saying the 6850 performs better but you would rather have the nvidia because its driver suite is better doesnt really make much sence. If its better why does the 6850 perform better. Then saying CCC or what ever its called, doesnt say much about what you know about it. Its Vision Engine Control Center. Plus saying you have a problem with the 4670 with a newer driver, when we are talking about a 6850 or 6870 really has nothing to do with it. I use both and the comments just to me sound like rambling fanboyism. And problems with a AMD driver, I can find one just as bad with Nvidia and vice versa. The one that performs better, performs better period.
 
Then saying CCC or what ever its called, doesnt say much about what you know about it. Its Vision Engine Control Center.
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Well there really isn't much to know tbh, the UI feels gimmicky and the amount of control that Nvidia' control panel offers just isn't there as far as I can see. No, I haven't spent a whole lot of time messing with either, but for whatever little I've used them I much prefer Nvidia's.

Plus saying you have a problem with the 4670 with a newer driver, when we are talking about a 6850 or 6870 really has nothing to do with it. I use both and the comments just to me sound like rambling fanboyism.
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I was saying that generally the drivers have been stable as far as my experience goes, I brought the 4670 example specifically to point out that I've had very little problems with the drivers, not to rag on them.

I wouldn't call that rambling fanboyism, but I've always been more of an AMD/ATI guy :/
 
hackapelite said:
Well there really isn't much to know tbh, the UI feels gimmicky and the amount of control that Nvidia' control panel offers just isn't there as far as I can see. No, I haven't spent a whole lot of time messing with either, but for whatever little I've used them I much prefer Nvidia's.

I was saying that generally the drivers have been stable as far as my experience goes, I brought the 4670 example specifically to point out that I've had very little problems with the drivers, not to rag on them.

I wouldn't call that rambling fanboyism, but I've always been more of an AMD/ATI guy :/
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How long, really, do you spend in the Nvidia control panel or VECC? Once you have changed the settings you leave it be, so how is that a selling point at all? It is like buying a car just because the fuel cap releases more easily that another, even though the other is faster, more economical and more comfortable. It is something you use so rarely in the big scheme of things, and both work fine, so why does that matter?

As for drivers, I haven't ever had a single issue with either AMD or Nvidia drivers, maybe through luck, but that is just the way it is. Yes, I have heard of people having problems with them, however an updated version is released so quickly, that again is a non-point.

I would have the 6850 in a heartbeat for the better performance
 
It's not fanboyism StrangleHold, it's just that AMD's Vision Engine Control Centre (Formerly Catalyst Control Centre) doesn't offer the same versatility as Nvidia's Nvidia Control Panel.

NCP lets you 1:1 pixel scaling with GPU scaling. While AMD's thing lets me select GPU Scaling, all the other options are greyed out.

NCP also lets you set profiles for each game/executable, as well as global settings (which each application setting overrides) - Can't do this with AVECC (that's a horrible acronym, too), only global settings.

So in short, Nvidia's driver suite is superior in a few areas. That's it. Not the be all and end all for me. I seem to swap from AMD to Nvidia like I switch socks. I'll probably trade my future 6850 CF setup for an Nvidia 6xx in the future.
 
How long, really, do you spend in the Nvidia control panel or VECC? Once you have changed the settings you leave it be, so how is that a selling point at all?
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VECC simply doesn't offer the level of control, though. Application-specific settings is just one thing that I used a lot when I had a NVidia card, VECC simply doesn't have that.

As for drivers, I haven't ever had a single issue with either AMD or Nvidia drivers, maybe through luck, but that is just the way it is. Yes, I have heard of people having problems with them, however an updated version is released so quickly, that again is a non-point.
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Not sure if this is in response to my quote, but I'll just point out that I already said that I've had only a few issues on one setup and the very few issues that I've had were no trouble.
 
Hmm, I don't actually so much care about drivers. As long as it can set fan controls, Core speed and Memory Clock, antialiasing and vsync it would be fine for me seriously. What should I choose guys? And I also don't know what is CUDA and such lol...
 
Hmm, I don't actually so much care about drivers. As long as it can set fan controls, Core speed and Memory Clock, antialiasing and vsync it would be fine for me seriously. What should I choose guys? And I also don't know what is CUDA and such lol...
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Given your needs I wouldn't imagine you being in any way disappointed with the ATI (or AMD I should say) card. I would be leaning towards ATI, mainly for the lower power consumption at the performance though, I personally stay away from big power hogs whenever possible (some people aren't that bothered).

CUDA allows the GPU to be used for more generic computations, not just graphics; it's generally used in high-performance computing applications, though it's also used for PhysX. If you don't care about either, you won't miss out.
 
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