ok, so i finally got it to play on my dvd player with vcd. but the problem is that i didn't use winavi. i had this movie editting program calle pinnacle. i didn't really know what i was doing and wanted to trying anything. ya, anyways the only problem is that it took like 5min to convert a 2min. video. mayb its just my cds speed, i dont know. atleast i can't complain anymore. thanks again magicman.