I'm Curious...

Verve

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How do the authorities shut down a program which is deemed illegal? For example, I read on wikipedia that the original Napster was shut down by some edit to a Windows registry.

How can a P2P program be banned if it one user to another, not going through a server (isn't that the definition of P2P, no midpoint?). Just wondering how it would work.
 
huh never really thought of that, it has to go throught a server somewhere maybe they have isp's block them?? i know they'd at least prevent the company from updating the client program and the company wouldn't be able to distrubute the program anymore either. i'm interested to know other peoples thoughts on this too
 
is that how they do it tho, they have isp's block it?

Thats not how they would shutdown napster. I believe Napster actually had servers where data was stored, so they were able to take those and shut it down. But programs like kazaa and limewire dont have dedicated servers, its a bunch of individual PC's.
 
yea i know that, but in order to connect to another pc through the internet you have to go through a server setup by your internet service providor, my question is if the us gov started cracking down on limewire how would they, would the contact isps and demand the service be blocked somehow or just shut down limewire it's self so no more people can obtain copies of the program ?
 
Its P2P in that the files never go through the servers, but the napster servers still connect to each of the peers, as they hold the lists of all the peers, and who has what files, they are basically the match maker, so by shutting off the servers you don't have anyone to tell you whats where.
 
Its P2P in that the files never go through the servers, but the napster servers still connect to each of the peers, as they hold the lists of all the peers, and who has what files, they are basically the match maker, so by shutting off the servers you don't have anyone to tell you whats where.

That sounds a lot like bit torrent, no?
 
torrents use trackers, which are embedded into the torrent file. Torrent search engines can search for these trackers and anyone seeding them with matching trackers can pull off the seeder. Private torrent sites work the same way, except they only use private torrents from their tracker.

Napster had servers, that connected to to someone, so in a way it was kind of like a P2P gateway I suppose. That is how it got shut down.

Newer P2P apps like torrents, really can not be traced or tracked by ISP, unless you are using ungodly amounts of bandwidth, or someone is monitoring you by IP/MAC address. However, a government agency would have to supena the ISP for rights to collect information about its users. Most ISPs won't just hand that information over, they want to respect their clients privacy.

Since there are no centralized servers to connect to torrents it is harder to shut down. Also, torrent sites are generally just search engines. In fact you can just use google to search for a torrent file if you know the name of it. Also the great thing about bittorrent is there is no client software to install except for the client itself. Unlike Limewire or Bearshare which actually install a whole application and a service on your computer, and are typically crawling with spyware, bit torrent simply just installs the tools to make and download torrents. Those other gui based clients like limewire actually make your PC act like a server, making it connect to its users, and allowing other users to make remote connections to download files. They both use the same concept of downloading bits of information from everyone who has the file, not just one user sharing it. Napster, pulled files from specific users, so that also makes it harder to track down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
 
Thankyou! finally someone who got the bit about having a person's isp block the service, i didn't think about the whole supena thing.
 
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