Nvidia GT 610 vs A10-6800K black edition apu

SketchSlayer

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Just a quick post asking what would be better to use as a gpu the apus built in stuff or my old Gt 610, I intend to eventually get dual hd7750s but til then.
 
Cause I'd get em individually over time so the first would run hybrid crossfire before I have a set for a proper crossfire setup.

And I'm guessing the apu has similar graphical specs to the gt 610 then?
 
Yeah, they're pretty similar, especially if you overclock it. If you use the nvidia card, and an Intel processor though, it will give you much more performance
 
The APU's iGPU will kick the crap out of the 610.

It performs somewhere around a 6570, for reference. The 610 really isn't a gaming card.
 
beers said:
The APU's iGPU will kick the crap out of the 610.

It performs somewhere around a 6570, for reference. The 610 really isn't a gaming card.
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Well yeah I know my current card is no gaming card, most of my current rig is the remains of a computer I had for course work, got an msi A78M-E35 to replace my old intel socket Lga 775 board, not used to amd at all so had no clue how powerful the built in iGPU was by comparison but from what I gathered the apus for fm2 are more cpu than the fm2+ ones at present and I'm not 100% sure how to compare it to a basic nvidia card.

The 610 is at least a little more suited to gaming than my old GeForce 315 which died a year ago, been working with a limited budget and from what I worked out the best idea is to grab an A10-6800k for the board I have rather than a newer fm2+ apu purely based on the fact that eventually I'll be using actual graphics cards so in the long run it should be the better option (I'm right in saying that yes?)

The 2 2gig ddr3 ram chips should do for a while if my knowledge of what sorta ram gaming tends to use is still up to par, from memory that should be enough to at least run most games at a playable framerate.
 
Maybe not stuff like BF4 and huge stuff, but the highest APUs can run BF4 on medium at 50 fps or so, with 8 gigs of ram at preferably 2133 speed. APUs benefit from faster RAM speeds, as instead of using the memory speed of the VRAM in the GPU, the APU uses the speed of teh system memory, therefore you want either 2133 or 2400 speed RAM

Just saying though, my GT 620 can still play my games like LoL and Hearthstone, so it might be okay for that
 
beers said:
The APU's iGPU will kick the crap out of the 610.

It performs somewhere around a 6570, for reference. The 610 really isn't a gaming card.
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Okay good. I was thinking I was the only person thinking this. Yeah the APU will beat the crap out of the 610.

ninjabubbles3 said:
Yeah, they're pretty similar, especially if you overclock it. If you use the nvidia card, and an Intel processor though, it will give you much more performance
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That is entirely false. There's a very small difference in performance in terms of mixing parts from AMD, Intel, and Nvidia.
 
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Maybe not stuff like BF4 and huge stuff, but the highest APUs can run BF4 on medium at 50 fps or so, with 8 gigs of ram at preferably 2133 speed. APUs benefit from faster RAM speeds, as instead of using the memory speed of the VRAM in the GPU, the APU uses the speed of teh system memory, therefore you want either 2133 or 2400 speed RAM

Just saying though, my GT 620 can still play my games like LoL and Hearthstone, so it might be okay for that
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I'm not going for insanely good looking at present but like my current barely usable rig say is unable to get a stable say 35+ in the witcher 2 with everything at the lowest making it literally unplayable on this setup, I know with the apu and my new mobo it should handle say borderlands 2 on max justjudging by the fact this thing runs borderlands 2 solidly on medium settings.

Also what sorta ddr3 would be best on a budget for an A78M-E35 which only has 2 ram slots, also after some decent ram and a half decent vid card for hybrid crossfire (or just a good card) the rig should handle a fair bit at a decent speed no?
The Cpu speed will hardly be an issue for it which will be a first for a machine I've had.

Denther said:
Okay good. I was thinking I was the only person thinking this. Yeah the APU will beat the crap out of the 610.



That is entirely false. There's a very small difference in performance in terms of mixing parts from AMD, Intel, and Nvidia.
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Well wouldn't there be a rather large impact with stuff like hybrid crossfire/crossfire or sli though which require parts to be AMD or Nvidia depending which you run with? (and are becoming more widely used)

Also the other card specific stuff like Nvidia PhysX and such would be a factor no?
 
Denther said:
Okay good. I was thinking I was the only person thinking this. Yeah the APU will beat the crap out of the 610.



That is entirely false. There's a very small difference in performance in terms of mixing parts from AMD, Intel, and Nvidia.
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Sorry I didn't clarify, I was saying that if he bought an Intel processor and upgraded the card later, it would give him better performance than the 6600k and the video cards. Even without being biased, intel chips are a hella faster than AMD chips of similar specs, even if they cost more
 
SketchSlayer said:
Also what sorta ddr3 would be best on a budget for an A78M-E35 which only has 2 ram slots, also after some decent ram and a half decent vid card for hybrid crossfire (or just a good card) the rig should handle a fair bit at a decent speed no?
The Cpu speed will hardly be an issue for it which will be a first for a machine I've had.



Well wouldn't there be a rather large impact with stuff like hybrid crossfire/crossfire or sli though which require parts to be AMD or Nvidia depending which you run with? (and are becoming more widely used)

Also the other card specific stuff like Nvidia PhysX and such would be a factor no?
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Well if you're doing Crossfire (AMD video cards or a video card and APU) then yes they need to be same but I was saying that having an Intel CPU and and an Nvidia GPU isn't inherently worse than and AMD Chip with and AMD GPU or and Intel CPU with an AMD GPU. This is of course assuming they're all power equivalent. I'm really saying that if you take the same GPU, regardless of brand, it wouldn't work any better or worse in an AMD CPU machine versus Intel CPU machine. There might be small differences. But nothing major. There was a myth that Intel chips work better with Nvidia cards and AMD chips work better with AMD video cards but there isn't much truth to that.


ninjabubbles3 said:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I was saying that if he bought an Intel processor and upgraded the card later, it would give him better performance than the 6600k and the video cards. Even without being biased, intel chips are a hella faster than AMD chips of similar specs, even if they cost more
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Agreed. This is correct. A faster CPU to start with and no integrated video would have been a better choice in the long run as you could get a better card without being constrained with trying to crossfire. Also AMD APU's processors aren't fantastic (although not bad).

Also maxing Borderlands 2 won't be possible with that. I'd expect around medium-highish settings with the APU, depending on your resolution.

And yes Intel chips are much better clock for clock, and at least now, I wouldn't really recommend an AMD chip anymore unless your budget is pretty tight (ironically enough noting my system and avatar).
 
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Denther said:
Well if you're doing Crossfire (AMD video cards or a video card and APU) then yes they need to be same but I was saying that having an Intel CPU and and an Nvidia GPU isn't inherently worse than and AMD Chip with and AMD GPU or and Intel CPU with an AMD GPU. This is of course assuming they're all power equivalent. I'm really saying that if you take the same GPU, regardless of brand, it wouldn't work any better or worse in an AMD CPU machine versus Intel CPU machine. There might be small differences. But nothing major. There was a myth that Intel chips work better with Nvidia cards and AMD chips work better with AMD video cards but there isn't much truth to that.




Agreed. This is correct. A faster CPU to start with and no integrated video would have been a better choice in the long run as you could get a better card without being constrained with trying to crossfire. Also AMD APU's processors aren't fantastic (although not bad).

Also maxing Borderlands 2 won't be possible with that. I'd expect around medium-highish settings with the APU, depending on your resolution.

And yes Intel chips are much better clock for clock, and at least now, I wouldn't really recommend an AMD chip anymore unless your budget is pretty tight (ironically enough noting my system and avatar).
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I run 1280x1024 at the moment due to monitor constraints, used to run 1920x1080 before that monitor died.
and considering I get stable mid-low borderlands 2 with 4gb ram a 2.8ghz dual core cpu with a gt 620 I'm pretty sure it should be able to handle that near max with that apu (not saying completely maxed, hell some of that requires nvidia stuff to max anyway right?)

Main concern is getting stable speed from witcher 2 and making other newer stuff playable for the while til I can afford to sink $ into better tech.

Why do ya think I went for a micro atx board over a proper atx board, if I had the cash I'd gone for something better (then again I'd also have gone for a better tower than this ancient atx tower that I'm not 100% when it was even made.

still building something stable for gaming on a limiteed budget is proving a bit of a challenge haha.
 
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Would a Nvidia GTX 780 Ti GDDR5 128 bit with max speed of 3600 mhz be better than my apu?

I just got one anyway but just wondering as I'm not too sure of the apu's gpu specs
 
Uhhh. Your system is going to probably explode if you're running a 780 TI on it. That's a downright beastly card but you NEED to replace your power supply immediately if you're going to use it. Those things pull a good amount of power and a 430 watt unit, especially a cheap one won't cut it. Don't use that card until you get a new power supply. But yeah comparing a 780 TI to an APU is like comparing a Ferrari to a Prius. The 780 TI will play anything with ease, although you'll probably be held back by your processor in some games.
 
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Uhhh. Your system is going to probably explode if you're running a 780 TI on it. That's a downright beastly card but you NEED to replace your power supply immediately if you're going to use it. Those things pull a good amount of power and a 430 watt unit, especially a cheap one won't cut it. Don't use that card until you get a new power supply. But yeah comparing a 780 TI to an APU is like comparing a Ferrari to a Prius. The 780 TI will play anything with ease, although you'll probably be held back by your processor in some games.
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Don't worry I ordered a 680 watt psu immediately it hasn't arrived yet but should only take a few days from now to get here along with a new case
also are you kidding me? I think a10s are like the strongest fm2+ apus and am3+ is old enough I figure it'll move to am4 soon enough that an am3+ mobo+cpu would be pointless (also don't bring up intel with their strangely over priced cpu setups.)

The hells should I be doing in terms of cpu now then? also yes my primary hdd is terrible but that is why he machines name is awaitingssd as I have been putting off buying a primary solid state drive.
 
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I would have toned down the GPU upgrade and put some of that cash into a motherboard+CPU upgrade too.

You'll be bottlenecked in CPU-intensive scenarios. The CPU piece of your APU is equivalent to around an FX 4300.
 
beers said:
I would have toned down the GPU upgrade and put some of that cash into a motherboard+CPU upgrade too.

You'll be bottlenecked in CPU-intensive scenarios. The CPU piece of your APU is equivalent to around an FX 4300.
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from memory the cpu is a quad core @ 4.1Ghz right? and can be oced to 4.4 or so
How much more powerful a cpu would a 780 ti need? it isn't like I'm running a new titan or anything

Also suggestions of a new amd socket mobo and cpu would be nice as I now have job hence the upgrades coming a lil quicker

And is there any news of a new amd socket coming?
 
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A 780 TI is pretty close to a Titan actually...

Get an Intel. If you stick with AMD you're only crippling yourself. My entire desktop is AMD based and I say this. Their CPU's suck these days if you're really going after pure performance. AMD architecture is vastly weaker than Intel. An i5 Quad Core could easily walk over an 8 core AMD. Sure the AMD might be clocked higher but there's more to it than just number of cores and clock speed.

Also, don't get testy with me for telling you that a top of the line GPU is going to be held back by an entry level processor. That's just how it is. Also you can get a much stronger chip out of an AM3+ socket than you could an FM2+. Newer doesn't always mean better. My CPU has double the amount of cores as yours and it's AM3+.
 
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A 780 TI with anything less than an FX 8350 or i5 4690K is useless.

I would highly suggest the intel instead.

I believe the new AMD socket is coming late 2016
A 4.1 AMD doesnt equal a 4.1 intel. Therr is a HUGE difference. Theres a reason why your APU is 120 and the i5 is 200, i7 300, and a 3.5 Ghz 6 core CPU from intel 500

Here you van compare the performance of an a10 7850K, the best APU to an i5 4690K which i would recommend http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-A10-7850K-APU/2432vs2937
 
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Darren said:
A 780 TI is pretty close to a Titan actually...

Get an Intel. If you stick with AMD you're only crippling yourself. My entire desktop is AMD based and I say this. Their CPU's suck these days if you're really going after pure performance. AMD architecture is vastly weaker than Intel. An i5 Quad Core could easily walk over an 8 core AMD. Sure the AMD might be clocked higher but there's more to it than just number of cores and clock speed.

Also, don't get testy with me for telling you that a top of the line GPU is going to be held back by an entry level processor. That's just how it is. Also you can get a much stronger chip out of an AM3+ socket than you could an FM2+. Newer doesn't always mean better. My CPU has double the amount of cores as yours and it's AM3+.
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So you're saying nvidia haven't made any major progress in some time?
Pretty sure the 700 series was a while back so it seems a bit odd to think of it as being similar to stuff like a titan
 
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