Opinion: File Sharing Ethical?
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elmarcorulz
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file sharing is illegal for good reason. if your sharing music, then the record companies/artists lose alot of money. if you share films then the studios and people involved lose alot of money. and same with programs too!SAAER45 said:
elmarcorulz
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okay, but 99% of things that go through file shareing are copyrighted.apj101 said:
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why would it go to the seupreme courts if its not copyrighted?
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apj101
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87.65816538138691369% of all statistics are made up on the spot
They would still have an offical legal position on it even if it's not under copyright, there position would be that it is a perfectly legal activity barring its contents aren't contravening other laws (eg kiddie porn)
SFR
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All it does is take away the joy of purchasing and listening to music.. =
Laugh all you want, I work long hours and earn every cent I make. With some of that hard earned money I buy CD's and vinyl albums. Every song I have has been legally purchased.
I think all of you KIDS need to growup and realize that everything you want, somebody else owns and as soon as you realize that STEALING.. which is what it is.. lets not kid ourselves.. once you realize that stealing gets you know where in life.... EARN THE MONEY AND BUY the music OR... ask your parents to buy you a CD a month.. or something like that...
I HATED when my parents posed the question: "where have all the values gone with your generation?"... I now agree with them... Parents have done a HORRIBLE job (so has the media... and the government.. and the schools... and even the religious leaders) teaching KIDS values.. and how to act etc... Its getting pretty bad...
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..Okay, Im getting off my soap box now..
Laugh all you want, I work long hours and earn every cent I make. With some of that hard earned money I buy CD's and vinyl albums. Every song I have has been legally purchased.
I think all of you KIDS need to growup and realize that everything you want, somebody else owns and as soon as you realize that STEALING.. which is what it is.. lets not kid ourselves.. once you realize that stealing gets you know where in life.... EARN THE MONEY AND BUY the music OR... ask your parents to buy you a CD a month.. or something like that...
I HATED when my parents posed the question: "where have all the values gone with your generation?"... I now agree with them... Parents have done a HORRIBLE job (so has the media... and the government.. and the schools... and even the religious leaders) teaching KIDS values.. and how to act etc... Its getting pretty bad...
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..Okay, Im getting off my soap box now..
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elmarcorulz
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so you buy the things, then let people get it for free from you?Xycron said:
Lordmord
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Files sharing is illegal. No matter how you look at. Those who download from Kazaa and limewire, are either those cheap people or ...well their cheap. A good game is what around $50 and programs such as photoshop and other commerical program, are all someone's property, and that property should be respected by atleast paying for the program.
Down with file-sharing programs.
Down with file-sharing programs.
Verve
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The problem is, the programs don't do or cause the illegal activity. Thus the programs aren't at fault... Its tough to get the real bad guys that way.
Just like people say they want to ban guns... Guns aren't killers, the person who pulls the trigger is. Its just misuse of a legal thing.
So you can't say "ban guns and p2p software!" It just doesn't work... They are not evil in themselves.
Just like people say they want to ban guns... Guns aren't killers, the person who pulls the trigger is. Its just misuse of a legal thing.
So you can't say "ban guns and p2p software!" It just doesn't work... They are not evil in themselves.
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Holiday
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Well not all music, games, utilities, and videos are copyrighted.
And file sharing can come in handy, for instance if you wanted to share a recording of your self singing or ect… all you would have to do is download LimeWire name the file HOT GIRL and millions of people will get to here your wonderful voice
And file sharing can come in handy, for instance if you wanted to share a recording of your self singing or ect… all you would have to do is download LimeWire name the file HOT GIRL and millions of people will get to here your wonderful voice
If my friends buy a CD, i put it on my computer. Or if they have a DVD or something, i'll make a copy of it. But I don't go put it on the internet to share worldwide or anything, it's jsut for me.
Sure, it's stealing. I just can't afford a $20+ DVD, or a $17 CD. "Well then you don't need it!" - Maybe I don't, but I want it...and I know how to get it.
Honestly, I have only a few hundred songs on my PC...most of which are home made techno stuff that is free to share. I listen to the radio almsot all the time, and usually Blockbuster is my source of DVD's. I own maybe 10-20 DVD's. I have less media than the majority of people on here i would bet.
Sure, it's stealing. I just can't afford a $20+ DVD, or a $17 CD. "Well then you don't need it!" - Maybe I don't, but I want it...and I know how to get it.
Honestly, I have only a few hundred songs on my PC...most of which are home made techno stuff that is free to share. I listen to the radio almsot all the time, and usually Blockbuster is my source of DVD's. I own maybe 10-20 DVD's. I have less media than the majority of people on here i would bet.
SFR
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Starwarsman said:
Okay, p2p software is legal.. That we know. Its what you do with the software that makes what YOU are doing illegal, not the p2p software.. they tell you when you install it that they do not condone or take any responsibility for any illegal activities you do with their software...
Illegal activity DOES go on with the use of p2p software, but they are not responsible, you are right, the USER is responsible.
There are countries that do not care about copyright laws... but the majority of stolen music is music produced in the US or by companies that have a share of the US market.. that is why the laws in the US are changing more rapidly than may other places.
This topic has been discussed SOO many times on this forum.. I think this will be the last time I post on a p2p software/file sharing thread.... Its old news.
And 4W4K4... If you cant afford it, dont steal it... Do you want to end up a thief... thats how it begins folks.... a simple STEALING GUM from a store... "nah that doesnt hurt anybody.. its only gum..."... "how can stealing a candy bar hurt or make a huge store lose money...".. next thing you know you have a weapon in your hand and are holding up a liquor store... and it only gets worse.
Stealing music is not the WORST thing in the world, but it is still theft.. and can lead (how ever far fetched you want to pretend it sounds).. to worse things.
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Well, he addressed me specifically, I thought that comment was for me. Everything starts out small, and has the potential to become very big...i know that much lol. There are jsut things I KNOW i can control...and burning CD's won't escalate to robbing stores with a handgun. [argh offtopic...must avoid saying! lol]
Im not a fan of file sharers but It also makes me mad when you hear about sony bmg settling a law suit for 10 million dollars held against them for bribing DJ's on radio stations with luxury holidays to play there songs, There was evidence in the form of email that showed these deals were all known about by the head people at sony bmg. These are the same people who operate like this who take the parents of 12 years old kids to court for £2500 at a time for downloading the odd britney spears track. Its not the main shareholders or executives I care about its the artists who collect £0.10/£0.14 per pound from album sales who are loosing even more through fileshares.
I dont even think I hate the genuine people whos filesharing activity leads to them buying albums, but I dont think there are many of that type of file sharer on the net.
The record giants are operating illegally and so are the fileshares, The question is who is worst? and how much stuff goes on behind the scenes just like the sony BMG case? I dont think they would have been the first to do and certainly wont be the last.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050725/music_probe.html?.v=11
I dont even think I hate the genuine people whos filesharing activity leads to them buying albums, but I dont think there are many of that type of file sharer on the net.
The record giants are operating illegally and so are the fileshares, The question is who is worst? and how much stuff goes on behind the scenes just like the sony BMG case? I dont think they would have been the first to do and certainly wont be the last.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050725/music_probe.html?.v=11
No bullets are.
While file sharing programs are not performing illegal activities (well they are, but not in the sense that they are stealing, the people using them are) going after the companies that make them is the best way to prevent illegal filesharing.
It's the same thing with guns, punishment/the threat of punishment isn't always enough, you have to keep the guns out of peoples hands if you want shootings to stop.
Technically they are losing less
the record company gets many times more money per sale than the artist.