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You should definitely find a way to get an SSD into that build and personally I would never go for anything wireless when it comes to gaming.
 
Ditch that B150 mobo. That thing costs the same as mobos with a Z170 chipset. The Z170 chipset is superior to the B150.
 
Intel_man said:
Ditch that B150 mobo. That thing costs the same as mobos with a Z170 chipset. The Z170 chipset is superior to the B150.
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With usb3.1 and C?
Please find the cheapest z170 with usb3.1 and C.

Ok, a mobo that isn't a Asrock
 
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So you're willing to part off with the ability to run higher ram, k-series processors, more usb 3.0 support, more pci-e lanes from the PCH, and raid support... just so you can get a USB standard that is still widely not used.

Honestly, he could get a Z170 board now, and grab a pci-e expansion card down the road when 3.1 becomes more available. Because right now, I'm having troubles finding any products that saturate the 5gbps bandwidth of usb 3.0... let alone USB 3.1's 10gbps bandwidth.

As of right now, the only thing I know of that uses more than 1.25GB/s transfer speeds are those PCI-e x4 SSDs on the nvme interface.
 
Hexius Universe said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Crimson/saved/#view=LWLkLk

its decent righ.t??? will i have trouble building it what fps will it run cs:go (i know cs;go deos not need alot of fps) but still like 200+??? also what should i switch and the op. drive on pcpartpicker is not letting me choose one so... 18+ dolalrs more for one i guess and also....



should i add more??? as in will more go in the case?
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ill switch mother board why is there a need to wireless or wierd mouses n stuff??? and also why do i need a ssd??? its lik 40 extra dollars and also i want it 800 or less atleast
 
Ok, this for a guy asking if he is going to have trouble building this PC, he doesn't sound like he's particularly experienced in computers, so guess he's not going to start overclocking any time soon. It also sounds like this PC will be used for gaming, show me the performance benefits of having faster ram in gaming when you have a dedicated GPU.
This is not about what you or I would get.
This system should be good for years, that cpu should be capable of running the next few years of gpu's, if 4 or 5 years from now he needs to upgrade his cpu then there would be no point of upgrading to a K series anyway.
 
Shlouski said:
Ok, this for a guy asking if he is going to have trouble building this PC, he doesn't sound like he's particularly experienced in computers, so guess he's not going to start overclocking any time soon. It also sounds like this PC will be used for gaming, show me the performance benefits of having faster ram in gaming when you have a dedicated GPU.
This is not about what you or I would get.
This system should be good for years, that cpu should be capable of running the next few years of gpu's, if 4 or 5 years from now he needs to upgrade his cpu then there would be no point of upgrading to a K series anyway.
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ok so "if" i get it i wont really need to upgrade unless the gpu also making a cheaper build rn instead ill give a link in a sec
 
Hexius Universe said:
ill switch mother board why is there a need to wireless or wierd mouses n stuff??? and also why do i need a ssd??? its lik 40 extra dollars and also i want it 800 or less atleast
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Are you going to be Overclocking your cpu and ram?
If not then you don't need a z170 motherboard, save the money and use it on something like a GPU which is very important to gaming.

If you don't need usb3.1 or c then you could get even a cheaper board.

Even a cheap ssd is much faster than a HDD, your computer will boot and load programs much faster, but it will not effect FPS.

I suggest wired over wireless because they usually have less latency and you avoid that time you get killed because your batteries died :D
But if you need wireless for convenience then go for it.
 
Shlouski said:
Are you going to be Overclocking your cpu and ram?
If not then you don't need a z170 motherboard, save the money and use it on something like a GPU which is very important to gaming.

If you don't need usb3.1 or c then you could get even a cheaper board.

Even a cheap ssd is much faster than a HDD, your computer will boot and load programs much faster, but it will not effect FPS.

I suggest wired over wireless because they usually have less latency and you avoid that time you get killed because your batteries died :D
But if you need wireless for convenience then go for it.
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ok so ill change mobo (im not overclocking anything) and what mobo should i get then??? i cheap one less then 99 dollars and i switched to a 20 dollar mouse and keyboard her is the build http://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Crimson/saved/#view=sv7P6h

so i should add a ssd instead of a hdd?? or both?
 
Hexius Universe said:
ok so ill change mobo (im not overclocking anything) and what mobo should i get then??? i cheap one less then 99 dollars and i switched to a 20 dollar mouse and keyboard her is the build http://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Crimson/saved/#view=sv7P6h

so i should add a ssd instead of a hdd?? or both?
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As ssd's are more expensive, many people choose to buy a smaller cheaper ssd to boot windows off and to install a few programs they want to run faster. You can then also buy a larger HDD for storage and to run less important programs or programs that you feel don't need to run as fast.
 
Shlouski said:
Ok, this for a guy asking if he is going to have trouble building this PC, he doesn't sound like he's particularly experienced in computers, so guess he's not going to start overclocking any time soon. It also sounds like this PC will be used for gaming, show me the performance benefits of having faster ram in gaming when you have a dedicated GPU.
This is not about what you or I would get.
This system should be good for years, that cpu should be capable of running the next few years of gpu's, if 4 or 5 years from now he needs to upgrade his cpu then there would be no point of upgrading to a K series anyway.
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You're making an assumption that he won't be interested in getting more performance out of his computer after some period of time. Which is an assumption I wouldn't necessarily make. At the end of the day, any end user would like to maximize their performance out of their machines for a cost efficient price. Even if you start out being computer illiterate or not. The human curiosity and our desire to get the most out of our hard earned money is just wired in our brain.

If you haven't realized that RAM has decent impact on CPU heavy games, then you certainly have not been following a handful of youtube videos who compare the different configuration of RAM & RAM speed vs FPS impact. Not all games scale the same, but for the sake of blanket covering all scenarios of games the person may or may not play, why not go for some DDR4-3000 ram over the standard DDR4-2133 when the price difference between the two is within $10-15 for 16GB of RAM.

If the price of the B150 he's getting is very similar to a Z170 chipset, why the flying **** would you not recommend getting a Z170.

You also have to take into account that this computer may live it's life for 6+ years. And within that period, he/she may want to do a minor upgrade of components like a CPU upgrade. Just because you have a non-K right now, doesn't mean you don't want one in a mid-life upgrade cycle. Keep in mind that, Cannonlake is also on the LGA1151 socket. This also means, at that point in time, his cost of upgrading is just the CPU itself. Rather than having to buy a motherboard that supports a K-series on top of the CPU purchase. So if you factor that in, then the total cost of a CPU upgrade halfway through the computer life span is = CPU + new mobo + old mobo. If you look at this relationship, it results to savings in the future if he decides to upgrade then. (In other words, pay ~$10 more now for a Z170, then you don't have to buy whatever replaces the Z170 and then throw out your B150 {which means that all that money invested in the B150 is worthless now})

Buying computer parts, you need to think what parts when in the future I replace will be dependent to other components I have now. You have to fork out better stuff for those parts so then you don't have to replace it. But for parts that are independent of any hardware upgrades, then you can cheap out a little.

As for SSDs, just buy something that is 240gb or more. Samsung 850 EVO is a good drive, but is not the cheapest ssds in it's category.
 
Intel_man said:
If you haven't realized that RAM has decent impact on CPU heavy games, then you certainly have not been following a handful of youtube videos who compare the different configuration of RAM & RAM speed vs FPS impact.
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Ok

Sincerely, please show me the impact of 3000 vs 2133 in gaming.

Also bearing in mind if he buy 16gb of 2133 now, do you think it would be worth the cost of replacing that with 3000 later?

Also he would need to buy a cheaper gpu to afford this motherboard, which I bet will make a much larger impact in performance in gaming.

You are still able to lower cas latencies in b150, ram running at lower speeds will most likely enable you to run at lower latencies, not that I think its really worth doing.

This is all hypothetical IF he upgrades, why would he buy a new cpu and ram after just built a new pc.
 
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Shlouski said:
Its easier if you tell me your budget, start a new partpicker build, select what screen, mouse, keyboard and headset you want, then I will make the best build possible out of what's left, ok.
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my price range is with in 850-900(750-850 w/o mouse and headset and stuff) im going to be playing games like stuff inbetween cs:go and bo2/3 (cod) and iim would like 2 moniters but 1 for now(2 once i get into youtube more then i am rn)

but here is the build w/ mouse headset and the others only

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Crimson/saved/#view=MhNGXL

also if you can, can ya guess what fps cs;go will run at??? obviously over 100

this will also be a huge upgrade because this is my pc rn

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Asp...12426&tmode=0000&veh=cse&sdc_id=1095914411735

that pc was the best search i could find btw the mouse is different though

EDIT: if you want you can try to get a cheaper keyboard or headset and monitor( don't change song please that is is cheap af and awsome)
 
Shlouski said:
Ok

Sincerely, please show me the impact of 3000 vs 2133 in gaming.

Also bearing in mind if he buy 16gb of 2133 now, do you think it would be worth the cost of replacing that with 3000 later?

Also he would need to buy a cheaper gpu to afford this motherboard, which I bet will make a much larger impact in performance in gaming.

You are still able to lower cas latencies in b150, ram running at lower speeds will most likely enable you to run at lower latencies, not that I think its really worth doing.

This is all hypothetical IF he upgrades, why would he buy a new cpu and ram after just built a new pc.
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Dude... so please explain why you chose DDR4-2400 in your list?

Also keep in mind, DDR4-3000 is $6.99 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/product/LhgPxr/gskill-memory-f43000c15d16gvrb

You also spec'd a mATX mobo for him. LOL.

There's no hypothetical IF about his upgrades. At one point he'll consider a faster processor. Let's be honest here, his i5-6500 right now is "good enough". But even the jump from a i5-6500 to a i7-6700k is pretty substantial in raw compute power. Let alone a Cannonlake in a year's time (which let's be honest here is being released in the 2nd half of 2017, so you won't see availability at affordable prices until early 2018.), that will be an upgrade on top of the current top of the line skylakes.

Don't forget to factor in the advances we're seeing in GPU power. What you'll see is that the bottleneck in games is already seeing a drift to the CPU side again at 1080p resolution.

Now, none of this matters if he decides to only ever playing csgo for the next 10 year as any off the shelf "gaming tower" can play CS:GO at good performance.

@Hexius Universe, running games over 100 fps doesn't mean anything unless you have 144hz monitors. If you have a regular 60hz monitor and you're bragging about rendering above 100fps, apart from waving your epenis around, you'll notice screen tearing and you'll end up turning v-sync on which caps your fps to the refresh rate of your monitor.
 
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