Socket 5 upgrade?

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TGHighRockLakeNC

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Yes I know what everybody will say to this its too old just throw it away!

Well I have newer computers but this one is my backup for when my others may be down, plus I use it when I need alot of hard drive space (it has a huge case)

I have a machine that is an Intel Pentium 1 @ 133MHz with a 66MHz bus speed and it is slow as molasses! I have heard of a CPU that may be compatable with Socket5 Pentium1 Motherboards called the AMD K6-2 @ 400MHz with MMX and 3DNOW! I just wonder if upgrading to this K6-2 processor would have a decently noticable effect on speed and maybe would it make playing SOME (not all) newer video formats on it possible (example maybe flash video)?

If it would then I think it would be completely worth this because when I am stuck with this and thats all I have it's not pleasant!

Thanks
 
^ Yes, that would see a noticeable difference... I've had a AMD K6-2 @ 400MHz, and it actually gamed pretty well when paired up with decent graphics card. Man, that machine was powerful... the machine played DVDs just fine (no lag, stuttering etc.), so I assume it'd play videos good, depending on your GFX card, memory and to lesser extent other hardware.

Now, the sad news... according to wikipedia, K6-series CPUs only fit in socket 7. If you're certain that the CPU you have now is socket 5, bad luck...
 
Will not work. You can put a socket 5 processor in a socket 7 board but not the other way around. From what I can remember socket 7 has 1 more pin.As far as looks, it looked just like socket 7

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Well I think the Socket7 is actually the samd thing as the Socket5 but it has a special voltage regulator because I have seen someone put a Pentium OverDrive MMX socket7 processor into a socket5 machine before. The problem is there is a risk of damaging the motherboard or processor because of the lack of that special voltage regulator. But I have actually found a special adapter that is called a PowerLeap ProMMX and it has the voltage regulator inside it so you can put it in a socket5 machine. So I believe it would actually work. But the real question is how big of a difference would it make on a puny 66MHz bus? I am simply afraid I would get that in there and it would not even make a difference! That would be very frustrating! 400MHz seems alot better than 133MHz but I want to know for sure before I do this that it will actually make a decent difference.
 
just a noob said:
whats socket 5? and does the processor look like an old nintento cartridge?
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I knew someone would laugh at this! Well if you seriously dont know what a socket5 is I understand why because it is very old. A Socket5 is CPU socket for an Intel Pentium Processor (not Pentium MMX, 2, 3, 4, or M) that most commly has a 66MHz Bus speed and runs from 75MHz to 133MHz. It does not look like an old Nintendo cartrage, it simply looks like any modern processor but it is a little bigger and the CPU has pins that go in holes instead of contacts that touch springs like the newest ones and once you put the CPU in the socket you pull a lever that causes the socket to clamp down on the pins. This socket was popular in 1995 and early 1996.
 
Plus you have the issue if the bios would even recognize the processor, if the board has enough multipliers or the right voltage settings. Socket 5 was a single plane voltage setup.
 
Ohh that is old .Best thing to do is just start an artificial reef in High rock. That lake is nasty enough no one would see it anyways j/k :D
 
hope this helps:
Socket 5 was created for the second generation of Intel Pentium processors operating at speeds from 75 to 133 MHz as well as certain Pentium OverDrive processors. Pentium MMX processors are not compatible with Socket 5. Consisting of 320 pins,Core Voltage 3.3V ,this was the first socket to use a staggered pin grid array, or SPGA. This design allowed the chip's pins to be spaced closer together. Socket 5 was replaced by Socket 7.
Specification
Number of Pins 320
Pin Rows 5 (staggered)
Voltage 3.3 volts
Motherboard 2nd Generation Pentium
Supported Processors Pentium 75-133 MHz, Pentium OverDrive





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Socket 5

Specifications
Type ZIF
Chip form factors SPGA
Contacts 320
Bus Protocol proprietary
FSB 50 MHz, 60 MHz, 66 MHz
Voltage range 3.1 to 3.6 V
Processors Intel Pentium (75 - 133 MHz)
Intel Pentium Overdrive (125 - 166 MHz)
Intel Pentium Overdrive MMX (125 - 200 MHz)
AMD K5 (PR75 - PR200)
IDT WinChip (180 - 200 MHz)
IDT WinChip-2 (200 - 240 MHz)
IDT WinChip-2a (233 MHz)
and compatible
 
Actually I have a Pentium OverDrive MMX 200 in this computer right now and its a Socket7 so I know it will fit, I think it just has a different voltage regulator somehow. I just want to know how much boost I could get from the K6-2 400MHz. I think if I could get a decent amount of boost from that then it would definately be worth it.

By the way Scubie67, Yes High Rock has a more trash in it than I wish it did but thats because people around here litter. I wish they didnt. Thats why I pick up trash and take it home in my boat to properly dispose of it. :)

Thanks guys for all the quick responses this has definately been helpful!
 
The CPU performance isn't tied that much to the bus speed, even some P3 celerons at 1GHz ran at 66mhz SDR system bus... so the bus speed here won't be a limiting factor. If you're sure that the new CPU would work, you might as well go for it... how much you're paying for it? Much depends on other hardware too, and of course what OS you're running.
 
TGHighRockLakeNC said:
Actually I have a Pentium OverDrive MMX 200 in this computer right now and its a Socket7 so I know it will fit, I think it just has a different voltage regulator somehow. I just want to know how much boost I could get from the K6-2 400MHz. I think if I could get a decent amount of boost from that then it would definately be worth it.

By the way Scubie67, Yes High Rock has a more trash in it than I wish it did but thats because people around here litter. I wish they didnt. Thats why I pick up trash and take it home in my boat to properly dispose of it. :)

Thanks guys for all the quick responses this has definately been helpful!
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I really meant that it is a heavy runoff lake not that there is a lot of trash which all lakes pretty much suffer from these days sadly.
 
hackapelite said:
The CPU performance isn't tied that much to the bus speed, even some P3 celerons at 1GHz ran at 66mhz SDR system bus... so the bus speed here won't be a limiting factor. If you're sure that the new CPU would work, you might as well go for it... how much you're paying for it? Much depends on other hardware too, and of course what OS you're running.
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Ok

all the current specs:

Operating System:
Windows XP Professional SP2

Hardware:
Gateway2000 P5-133XL
Originally Intel Pentium1 133MHz (no MMX)
Upgraded to Intel Pentium OverDriveMMX 200MHz
66MHz bus speed
BIOS Version AMIBIOS 1.00.10.br0t
Formfactor AT
MOBO Intel Alladin 133 Baby AT
CPU Socket 5
4 PCI slots
3 ISA slots
256KB Cache
EDO/FastPage SIMMs
Originally 8MB RAM
upgraded to chipset max of 128MB
Video card is Matrox MGA Millenium PCI 1024x768@16bit
Original soundcard Ensoniq Soundscape ISA
Replaced by Creative SoundBlaster PCI
Onboard Intel PCI IDE controller 2 channels
Added in Promise Tech. Ultra100 PCI Ide controller 2 channels
onboard IDE Primary Master Western Digital 40 GB HDD
onboard IDE Primary Slave Western Digital 160 GB HDD
onboard IDE Secondary Master WD 1.6 GB HDD
onboard IDE Secondary Slave WD 2.2 GB HDD
addin IDE Primary Master HP DVD Writer
addin IDE Primary Slave Wearnes CDD620 6x CDRom
Floppy A: Standard 3½ inch drive
Floppy B: Standard 5¼ inch drive
Modem US Robotics Sportster 56K
PCI USB1.1 controller added in

And the price of the upgrade is unbelievablly cheap
 
With that hardware... well, it might be able of playing some videos, but as long as you're running XP on it there's very little chance that it'll handle any kind of heavier-than-lightweight multimedia apps... the memory just isn't enough. Also, the soundcard is as good as nothing by today's standards. The graphics card might do the job, though I'm not familiar with any matrox products... you can expect a significant speed increase, but whether that speed increase is enough is another question. How well does the comp currently perform at tasks you usually use it for? I'm guessing you might see even 2x (max) improvement in performance (in certain applications), do you think that's enough?
 
hackapelite said:
With that hardware... well, it might be able of playing some videos, but as long as you're running XP on it there's very little chance that it'll handle any kind of heavier-than-lightweight multimedia apps... the memory just isn't enough. Also, the soundcard is as good as nothing by today's standards. The graphics card might do the job, though I'm not familiar with any matrox products... you can expect a significant speed increase, but whether that speed increase is enough is another question. How well does the comp currently perform at tasks you usually use it for? I'm guessing you might see even 2x (max) improvement in performance (in certain applications), do you think that's enough?
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well based on the fact that its just a spare, sure, thats enough, just to get me by when my good machines arent working.
 
that wud be the awsomeest rig for playing slightly older pc games and ms dos games!!

(just a suggestion, you miht get better performance running win 2000 instead of xp)
 
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