Two windows on one partition

Igasm

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Okay so ive had a hell of a day with this computer haha but basically this past week my computer has been weird (turning off randomly etc.) and today I restarted my computer and it usually asks me for my password and logs onto windows.
But it didnt and it just said please wait windows starting.... so im waiting for about 15mins until i realise this isnt working...
So windows wont log on for some reason and I get out my xp cd and try to repair it but it still doesnt work so I create a second windows install on the same partition and was able to log into it.
now the problem is I need files that were on the desktop in the old windows but I am unable to access them.
After I find these files and burn them I will be reformatting and just creating one windows install but until then I need to know how I can access the other windows through this one if thats possible??
Or if anyone knows anyway I can log onto the other windows? seems to me likes its a virus as I wasnt able to change my bios options either.....
 
You should be able to make some bootable CD such as BartPE and boot to your computer that way. I assume the problems you've have are due to rights and what not(basically not allowing you to view other's folders, or what windows thinks are other's folders? :P)
 
One thought on this would take a little effort? First see if you can use Windows Explorer to go into the first user name in DocumentsandSettings. The items seen on the desktop are generally right in the "C:\docs+settings\user name\desktop" folder. That just happens to be where all of the original desktop shortcuts are found.

The other method involves booting with an XP boot floppy for access to the drive at the root of C once changing from the dos like prompt. Or you can boot to the recovery console for the manual means of getting into the folder and copying or using move commands(long and slow). The smart way? Burn a Linux live cd and double click on the hard drive's desktop icon twice to open two windows there for copy or dragging files that way. Linux doesn't know anything about MS permissions.
 
One thought on this would take a little effort? First see if you can use Windows Explorer to go into the first user name in DocumentsandSettings. The items seen on the desktop are generally right in the "C:\docs+settings\user name\desktop" folder. That just happens to be where all of the original desktop shortcuts are found.
Only works if EFS isnt enabled :)

The other method involves booting with an XP boot floppy for access to the drive at the root of C once changing from the dos like prompt. Or you can boot to the recovery console for the manual means of getting into the folder and copying or using move commands(long and slow). The smart way? Burn a Linux live cd and double click on the hard drive's desktop icon twice to open two windows there for copy or dragging files that way. Linux doesn't know anything about MS permissions.
Unfortunately, again, if EFS is on, that wont be possible either but definitely a good idea if not
 
EFS only applies when Windows is loaded and running. Igasm may not be familiar with what that is.
Data Recovery Using EFS

This section discusses and illustrates the steps required for using EFS file sharing. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/cryptfs.mspx#E6F

The use of a XP boot floppy or earlier startup disks with NT4Dos loaded would manually access the NTFS partition for the lengthy manual process command by command there. Linux on the other hand gives complete access to partitions regardless of the operating system for file retrieval since a live distro is a self contained OS on cd/dvd.
 
EFS only applies when Windows is loaded and running
So tell me, why does thi application exist?
Advanced EFS Data Recovery (or AEFSDR) is a program to recover (decrypt) files encrypted on NTFS (EFS) partitions created in Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Files are being decrypted even in a case when the system is not bootable and so you cannot log on, and/or some encryption keys have been tampered. Besides, decryption is possible even when Windows is protected using SYSKEY. AEFSDR effectively (and instantly) decrypts the files protected under all versions Windows Server 2003 (Standard and Enterprise), Windows XP (including Service Packs 1 and 2) and Windows 2000 (including Service Packs 1, 2, 3 and 4).
 
If you can see the folders from the other installation, which I can't see why you won't be able to, you just log in as Admin on your new install and take control of those folders. Copy the stuff you need and reformat.

You will get a message that access is denied. As an Admin, right click on the folder you want access to and set "Everyone" to have full permissions.

Should work. I can't see why it won't.
 
Should work. I can't see why it won't.
Wouldnt it be somewhat dumb to implement a file-system level encryption system with a key unique to one account .... just to have another accouont access it? ;)
 
I agree in theory, but that's provided you have encrypted your disk. Anyone can access an XP file system from a boot floppy. The only part that is protected are individual account folders. All you have to do then is take ownership.

For example, I have my computers on a domain. If I set the root drive of one of the workstations to share for example, and set permissions, I can read and write to that drive from another one of the workstations. I can do anything I want to it.

See, Windows XP does not encrypt all files and folders by default. It has the ability to, but it doesn't do it on it's own. You have to tell it to do so.

I don't know where this dumbass idea of linux came from. Linux isn't the be all and end all.
 
I agree in theory, but that's provided you have encrypted your disk. Anyone can access an XP file system from a boot floppy. The only part that is protected are individual account folders. All you have to do then is take ownership.

For example, I have my computers on a domain. If I set the root drive of one of the workstations to share for example, and set permissions, I can read and write to that drive from another one of the workstations. I can do anything I want to it.

See, Windows XP does not encrypt all files and folders by default. It has the ability to, but it doesn't do it on it's own. You have to tell it to do so.

I don't know where this dumbass idea of linux came from. Linux isn't the be all and end all.

WINDOWS HARDWARE

Knoppix Hacks: Use Knoppix to rescue Windows



Kyle Rankin
07.29.2005
Rating: -4.80- (out of 5)
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In Knoppix Hacks: 100 Industrial-Strength Tips & Tools, author Kyle Rankin explains how the Knoppix CD can be used as an indispensable, multi-purpose tool for administrators. One of the many things Knoppix can accomplish is rescuing Windows. In this e-mail exchange, Rankin provides instructions for using Knoppix in place of the Windows Recovery CD.
What are some instances where the Knoppix CD could be used to rescue a Windows machine?
Rankin:
I've found that Knoppix has almost all of the functionality of the Windows Recovery CD in terms of system repair, plus a lot more. You can scan a system for viruses, back up files from any directory on the system to removable storage like a USB drive, and can even reset the Administrator password and edit the registry all within Knoppix.
Why not use the Windows Recovery CD?
Rankin:
Most people that I've run into who use the Windows Recovery CD have been frustrated with how limited the functionality is. For instance, you can't copy a file to a floppy. You can't edit text files. You can't even browse outside of the %SYSTEMROOT% directory and root folder (for most system this is C:\ and C:\Windows), which means you can't recover your documents and settings from it. When you are trying to recover a system, one of the last things you want is for the recovery tool to get in your way, and that is what the Windows Recovery CD does, once you try to use it past its boundaries.
Why, in your opinion, has Microsoft taken away many of the settings off their recovery CD?
Rankin:
I can only assume that they removed the functionality for security reasons. It can't be for space concerns -- edit isn't that large, and neither is adding the ability to copy to a floppy. It's also possible that they simply decided that the features they allowed were the only features they wanted people to have from the rescue CD.
Hack #72 from your book talks about how to back up files and settings. Would you describe a scenario where Windows might be unable to boot?
Rankin:
There are any number of scenarios that might cause a Windows system to be unable to boot, such as important system files that are corrupted, a broken boot loader, physical hard drive errors, and of course viruses. I actually introduced Knoppix to a friend of mine because her daughter accidentally loaded a virus onto her system that prevented it from booting. I was able to describe the few steps to recover the data to her and she went home with a Knoppix CD and a USB drive and was able to drag and drop all of her important data (irreplaceable pictures and tax records) onto the USB drive.
What are the steps to using Knoppix to back up your Windows files when Windows won't boot? Rankin: The first step is to boot Knoppix. One of the best ways to recover the data is to plug in a USB drive of some sort.
  • When the desktop loads, you will see at least two hard drive icons on the desktop (one for your hard drive and one for the USB drive).
  • Click on the hard drive icons to open them up and figure out which drive is which.
  • Right-click the USB drive icon and choose "Actions > Change read/write mode" so you can write to the drive (it's read-only by default for security reasons).
  • Now find the files you want to back up and drag and drop them to the USB drive. When you are finished, shut down the system and remove the USB drive.
http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_gci1207497,00.html

And that is only one site there.
System recovery with Knoppix

What to do when good disks go bad http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-knopx.html

Computer First Aid Using Knoppix

By Cedric Shock and Susan Sullivan


These instructions were written using Knoppix version 3.7. It can be downloaded from http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html. This document is available online at http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/. There is also an older version written for Knoppix 3.2. If you need help with these instructions or have corrections or suggestions please direct your communications to cedric
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shockfamily.net. Preface: Don't Panic

Windows just crashed. The computer won't boot back up. Those "System Recovery Disks" that came with your computer will erase all of your data. In most cases, when Windows breaks and will not start up again, none of your data has been lost, you just don't have a way to get to it. These instructions are a way of getting to your data when Windows won't work. If these instructions fail to recover your data, don't panic; even in cases of physically damaged drives, reformatted drives, and accidentally deleted files, professional data recovery companies typically have a 95 to 98% success rate. http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
 
You know, Mr. Google, I have been in this business for years and years and years now. Never once have I had to use a Knoppix CD and never, ever, EVER have I had a computer I couldn't fix. Knock on wood.

I'll save the info for a later date. You never know. It might come in handy.
 
I've seen a good number articles on using live distros plus tested it out here. One thing to remember in recovery of encrypted files is to save the "Private Keys" in a safe place. Once you copy any of those from one drive to another you can use those for deencrypting the recovered files.
 
thanks for the help guys but i ended up using backup in system tools and backup what i needed through there and then reinstalling windows fresh!
 
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