Vista

No wait in tell at least one SP is out. And in the future please use the search button you will find quite a lot of threads about this. :)
 
Plan on buying newer versions of many softwares. While many games will go right on the new versions of Windows many of your familiar desktop applications will require at least a Vista ready stamp on them. But that's normal with any newer version there. Here it is currently in use as a second not primary OS due to the need for replacing several programs with newer versions of those. And with any new OS expect some bugs that will need to worked out with updates, a 2nd edition, or service packs yet to come.
 
Sure, but if nobody buys it for that reason, there won't be any user submitted bugs or anything. I would be using it primarily for work; Office 2007 which is guaranteed to work, IE and MSN (Live), are all programs I would use and work. Games would come after, but I found a list of compatible software and most of the games I own are Vista compatible. Bugs? Just make do and wait for the updates.
 
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Emperor_nero said:
No wait in tell at least one SP is out. And in the future please use the search button you will find quite a lot of threads about this. :)
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Just to let you and everyone else know, Microsoft is not planning on releasing any service packs for Vista. Microsoft says that since most people have broadband internet, they are relying on Windows Update to provide users with all the updates that are needed.

So if you want to wait until the first service pack, plan to not get Vista at all.
 
You may not see the big rollup of updates in a 266mb service pack but Microsoft will have to start releasing fixes for the problems that come up like IE 7's crashes being reported in Vista while not in XP. Every other version of Windows since 95 has needed some service pack for those reasons. 95 had OSR2 for 32bit support seen then until 95PLUS! was released.
 
What htey are doing now is simply working small in order to sell the next version rather then rereleasing the same like they did with XP. You had XP then XP/SP1 a year later to see XP/SP2 in 2004. There was some chatter on an SP3 for XP but nothing further except a few security fixes and IE 7 since.
 
Since they are not releasing service packs, problems are actually getting fixed faster. Because instead of waiting and including a month or two's worth of updates at once, they are being released as needed.

It would still be a good idea to have a service pack though.
 
Is vista good: yes.

Is Vista worth the money: maybe.

I bought a new PC with Vista on it and I love vista. I'm no stranger to windows computers, though I am more biased to mac. However Vista gives me faith in windows again. I have XP, OSX, and Vista and my vista computer has gotten all my time (and not just because it's the fastest). I'm a hardcore gamer and Vista is able to run my game of choice (generally BF2142), my iTunes to sync my iPod, and decrypt a DVD (when netflix sends me something good).

It's just as stable as XP was for me, and I really love all the eye candy - when I hope on my XP machine I almsot miss it. It has a nice interface and feels a little like OSX - my personal favorite in the world of operating systems.

Also the ocean of problems refered to - well I haven't run into any. The annoying security features are a quick disable, and all my software installed without a problem - as well as the drivers for my video card etc. The sidebar is a ripoff of the Mac dashboard, but I'm not complaining because I like it. My personal favorite widget (or gadget for vista gents) is one showing the current threat level. (Is it just me or is "elevated" really mean no threat?).

Ultimately, if you want the cool new things Vista does then I say go for it! It's nice to use, very stable, and has the best of the Mac and PC worlds.

If you're deciding on vista or a new video card, get the video card. vista is definately unncessary in today's world ... XP would suffice just fine but If money is no issue then I would go for it. I'm glad I did.


and as far as DX10 is concerned ... well I can't nearly afford a DX10 card any time soon so I don't see game manufactures requiring DX10 for some time. My 7900 palys all my games to my liking and I don't plan to upgrade any time soon. Game manufactures would be killing their profits not making their games also able to run on DX9 systems ... theer are lots of poor gamers out there. We're called College students.

(taken from another post I made)

And in addition service packs are really unncessary now days ... I get my updates rather frequenty as I sleep and wake up to a new update installed. I would much rather have my updates come out as soon as they are released then having to wait for a service pack to get them all at once. I think it's a smart move on microsoft's part updating all the current vista users on a day by day basis then having the bugs fester until they get around to releasing a service pack.
 
The only problem with not having a large service pack ready for download at some point is having to download some 84 or more updates if you need to reinstall Windows at some point. When going to install XP Pro on a sata drive lately that 84 count gets up in your face even while having an SP2 installation disk. It's great for getting fixes and patches sooner. But having no large rollup of what came out during that time period to install all at once.... :confused: 84, then 184, and then 284, and now 3?? let me out of here ......... :eek: :P
 
the non service packs are a good idea until you need to deploy bandwidth heavy updates. A fresh install will mean your using up half your bandwidth on updates :)
 
when I had XP I had no service pack disks, I always got them from windows update webpage and really with a decent internet connection it isn't that big a deal. I download 500-700 MB files every day ... little updates are no biggie.

I can see where you're coming from with it being more convenient, but with internet getting as fast as it is ... and the updates being relatively small in size it isn't a big deal.
 
If you are someone working with a dialup connection the redistributed SP2 was a plus where you could download and save to disk the full service pack there. The constant system restarts and repeat downloads is one large annoyance with XP at this time when so many small fixes have been released since 2004.

Eventually of course MS support for XP will be dropped where you will have to search for the last bunch when going to install or reinstall Windows. At least with SP2 half of the load was taken up if you had saved the service pack to disk and even burned it onto a cd when going to reinstall XP if you had an earler release with or without SP1.
 
I do not disagree with you. I think we're both making good points ... and trying to argue when we are both right in a way. I love you. =P
 
It's not the connection speed when going to update page so much but the installation time that follows. With a fresh install of Windows you are generally trying to use the time available to see all softwares/games installed or reinstalled if you had them on before. But even before you have to account for the hardwares like video and sound as well as addon devices if any. Then you go for updates and watch a progress indicator. one at a time.
 
apj101 said:
the non service packs are a good idea until you need to deploy bandwidth heavy updates. A fresh install will mean your using up half your bandwidth on updates :)
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I see what your saying. With XP right now I have about 50+ updates whenever I reinstall Windows. I can just imagine how long that would take in a large business, of course, thats if they dont have their own update server.
 
cryption said:
Is vista good: yes.

Is Vista worth the money: maybe.

I bought a new PC with Vista on it and I love vista. I'm no stranger to windows computers, though I am more biased to mac. However Vista gives me faith in windows again. I have XP, OSX, and Vista and my vista computer has gotten all my time (and not just because it's the fastest). I'm a hardcore gamer and Vista is able to run my game of choice (generally BF2142), my iTunes to sync my iPod, and decrypt a DVD (when netflix sends me something good).

It's just as stable as XP was for me, and I really love all the eye candy - when I hope on my XP machine I almsot miss it. It has a nice interface and feels a little like OSX - my personal favorite in the world of operating systems.

Also the ocean of problems refered to - well I haven't run into any. The annoying security features are a quick disable, and all my software installed without a problem - as well as the drivers for my video card etc. The sidebar is a ripoff of the Mac dashboard, but I'm not complaining because I like it. My personal favorite widget (or gadget for vista gents) is one showing the current threat level. (Is it just me or is "elevated" really mean no threat?).

Ultimately, if you want the cool new things Vista does then I say go for it! It's nice to use, very stable, and has the best of the Mac and PC worlds.

If you're deciding on vista or a new video card, get the video card. vista is definately unncessary in today's world ... XP would suffice just fine but If money is no issue then I would go for it. I'm glad I did.


and as far as DX10 is concerned ... well I can't nearly afford a DX10 card any time soon so I don't see game manufactures requiring DX10 for some time. My 7900 palys all my games to my liking and I don't plan to upgrade any time soon. Game manufactures would be killing their profits not making their games also able to run on DX9 systems ... theer are lots of poor gamers out there. We're called College students.

(taken from another post I made)

And in addition service packs are really unncessary now days ... I get my updates rather frequenty as I sleep and wake up to a new update installed. I would much rather have my updates come out as soon as they are released then having to wait for a service pack to get them all at once. I think it's a smart move on microsoft's part updating all the current vista users on a day by day basis then having the bugs fester until they get around to releasing a service pack.
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sure that makes vista seem great and all, but you still cant use almost ANY printers with it lol
 
just go the to printer manufacturers webpage and download the drivers. I did that and my printer is still truckin along.
 
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