why do people still buy this junk?

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ad356

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i have a couple of people i know, that i work with. they bought dell desktop machines. i complete rip off, i you ask me. 1 guy spent 1,000 on a not so complete dell.system is a couple years old he bought it new, it has a celeron chip(junk) and NO AGP or PCI-E slot. how can you buy a computer without an AGP slot? he bought a video card off of me and he discovered he didnt have any place to plug it in. i told him SOLD AS IS, he didnt do any research or educate himself before he bought thats his fault. video card was working, its not like i sold him a bad card. It was an AGP card and his computer should have had an AGP slot. It even listed AGP in the specs. how can DELL leave that little detail out, oops. back when he told me he was buying that piece of **** i told him that i would build him a machine instead. But dude, your getting hell, i mean dell. there is another guy at work who bought a dell an it has no standard keyboard/mouse ps/2 connectors. again, no excuses for more junk. i have always built my own machines so i know what i am getting. everything is standard and everything works. no manufacturer specific garbage. if i buy a new antec powersupply i know it will work with my gigabyte motherboard, no question in my mind. i know that it will have a PCI-E slot when i buy a new board. This is 2007 why do some off the shelf PC's lack very basic functionality? i will never buy off the shelf, ever.
 
Agreed!

I have owned 1 system that was off the shelf, it was an HP. And it was total crap.

I have since built a couple of dozen systems for myself and friends. I would NEVER buy an off the shelf system again.
 
I will never buy another computer by Dell or HP. They make it look good on the paper. My friend bought some HP Pavilion and it said it had 1gb of DDR2 800 (2X 512). The motherboard only supporyed DDR2 533. And it had a AGP slot on it, (Crap). Also had a 250w PSU and was supply that to a 3.46ghz Celeron processor. Had a DVD-R (He wants to burn DVD's not watch them). Guess how much it cost. $850 in 2006
 
i think people are pretty stupid and naive when it comes to computers. i hate people that say the went to dell and built a computer. hello, you didnt build it, dell didnt build it custom either. all they did was take an off the shelf peice of crap and change the hard drive size/ram. when you assemble your own computer you use the proper power supply, ram amount, hard drive size, case size, optical drives, and the rest of everything else. thats custom building. you build it to fit your needs, wants, and desires.
when you somebody buys a dell they think its a name brand computer. the computer might be "named brand" but the components inside arent even close to being named brand. Look at the specs on any Dell machine. do they tell you who made the power supply? the ram? the hard drives what RPM do the hard drive spin? the motherboard? NOPE, because often times they are cheap lowgrade, generic, and barely adequate. i built my computer, however everthing inside is named brand. AMD athlon x2 4200+, BFG Nvidia geforce 7900 GS, ANTEC lanboy alluimun case, ANTEC 430w truepower supply, gigabyte motherboard, 2GB Kingston memory, 3 Western Digital hard drives(80 IDE, (2)250 Sata all 7200 RPM), Liteon DVD-RW. A true named brand PC doesnt have a big name of the front of the box.
Dont get me started on the integrated video. its just a cheap way for manufactures to cut costs. So if you buy a new "Off-the-shelf-PC" you cant even game with it out of the box. very poor value. spend 1000 and you dont even get discrete video. intergrated video is poop period.

My last off the shelf system was a Packard bell, that how long ago that was. its was a 486sx that i made into a 486 DX2. how many people on this forum even know what a 486 is? how many of you guys have even actually owned one? that 486 was a peice of **** and i owned it when it was new. just to run autocad R10(was in high school taking cad) i had to upgrade the CPU and add memory. even for its day the hard drive was also inadequate.it was a small 170MB, the idea size back then was 500+MB it was off the shelf crap and this was back in 1994. i have been dealing with this crap for a while, seeing poorly made systems available at mass market stores. my first build was a pentium 133.
 
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I quite like some pre-built systems by Phillips, they do use some decent quality parts such as MSI, Coolermaster and ECS, who are not brilliant, but it's better than a no-name board. My last pre-built is my Dell which I got online from a company that buys Factory Outlet machines and it's really good. It was less than £200 and for that I got an Athlon 3800+, 1GB of RAM, 80GB HDD and the full business 3 year warranty to boot. It's used as a Linux box and it's very nice, well built because it's a business machine! But building ususally yeilds better parts.
 
oscaryu1 said:
No one hate's compaq?
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before i learned anything about computers, i bought a compaq and had the store add a 9800 pro. i thought it was a pretty solid computer, i never had any problems with it ever. i cant remember any of the specs, but it did everything i ever needed it to.
 
DirtyD86 said:
before i learned anything about computers, i bought a compaq and had the store add a 9800 pro. i thought it was a pretty solid computer, i never had any problems with it ever. i cant remember any of the specs, but it did everything i ever needed it to.
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had to add a video card to a new machine? that my point, you shouldnt have to add anything to a new machine. it should at least come with a video card that is capable of some medium duty games. im not saying that every computer needs to come with a 8800 series geforce card. im just saying that every computer that costs more than 600 bucks should at least come with a 7600 or something like that. in order to get a discrete card included you need to spend like 1,500 bucks which is entirely to much money. i still have less than 1000 spent into my computer. i have 3 hard drive, 2 gigs of memory,7900GS video and a very nice antec case and power supply. not to mention "its like a box of chocolates, ya never know what you going to get", ie the mystery box. i perfer to build my own. i get to design and choose the quality of components within. i like choice.
 
Yeah, its annoying to us, but its a business and thats how it goes. At least there are a few good "off shelf" brands that include quality components. But then again, you'll never find these brands at your local Best Buy. Its ludicrous.

On the positive side, it seems to me that more and more people are building their own computers. And maybe with sites like PugetSystems.com , we'll see more informed buyers and better decisions.

(PugetSystems' prices are also ridiculous though...)
 
alienware is slick, but then again it is very expensive and you could build yourself a similar machine for much less money.
 
Not everyone knows enough about computers (including some posters on these Forums) to build their own. Instead of bashing those who can't by attacking them, and in the process of doing so making yourself look both ignorant and arrogant, why not either: A) keep your thoughts to yourself; or, B) spread your obviously god-like, omnipotent computer knowledge to those who might not know the difference between a HDD and RAM.

For people that do not have the time, energy, or know-how to build a custom system, companies like Dell and HP are great. It's all a matter of perspective. My wife loves Dell. Her entire family does, as does mine. I think Dell is a good company. They build a solid system and have very good support as far as I'm concerned. Does my wife, her family, and my family know how to build their own systems? No, they don't, so for them, Dell is the answer.

If you insist on coming to our forums and displaying your arrogance, please have more than 10 Posts total before doing so.
 
paratwa said:
I think before anyone can say Dell is a great company on this forum, you should have at least 500 posts. :)
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:P *I* think Dell is a good company, and I can say that even though I build my own systems. My entire family/in-laws are very loyal Dell buyers.

Hence, my original "For people that do not have the time, energy, or know-how to build a custom system, companies like Dell and HP are great" stands. Feel free to substitute <Company> in place of Dell or HP. Some are better than others, it's all a matter of perspective.

However, my post wasn't defending Dell; it was defending people who buy pre-assembled computers. Not everyone can do this stuff from scratch. Doesn't mean they are any less of a person or intelligent; they simply have other priorities.
 
imsati said:
However, my post wasn't defending Dell; it was defending people who buy pre-assembled computers. Not everyone can do this stuff from scratch. Doesn't mean they are any less of a person or intelligent; they simply have other priorities.
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Completely true. That's how the whole business started.
 
all im saying is that is that dell seems to make computer that dont even have the basics. how can you manufacture a computer that only uses USB keyboard/mouse. thats basic, most keyboards/mouse manufactures, like logitech make most of their keyboards and mice in ps/2 form. not having a AGP/PCI-E slot is another big no-no in my book. what if somebody spends $900 on a computer, and decides that later, they want to do some gaming. so they go to the store and buy a video card, only to get it home and find it doesnt work. now their $900 computer suddenly doesnt fit their needs. they end up going out and buying another computer. its now a very poor value. i think if you want a good value and dont want/know how to build your own system you should visit your local privately owned computer store (not bestbuy or walmart) and im sure they will build you a computer with standard components that would be just as good as building it yourself. you choose the components then they will put it together.
 
paratwa said:
I think before anyone can say Dell is a great company on this forum, you should have at least 500 posts. :)
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Dell is an great company.

I am not supporting nor supporting it.

I am just saying that my $650 Celeron M (3 years back) has been through so much [heat, water, drops] abuse that you'd be suprised that nothing has been replaced and even the case is in top notch condition. Not one scratch or pressure spot on the screen either. Dell is durable. End.
 
ps/2 is obsolete and ps/2 keyboards make a bitch of a sound if you press 3 buttons at once.

and no, newer keyboards and mice are USB with a ps/2 adapter for those living in the past.
 
ad356 said:
how can you manufacture a computer that only uses USB keyboard/mouse. thats basic, most keyboards/mouse manufactures, like logitech make most of their keyboards and mice in ps/2 form
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It's cheaper today to incorporate USB than it was a few years ago. It's mainstream. PS2 is being phased out.

You seem very irate over something that didn't ever happen to you because of your mad 'puter skillz. You always mention people you know buying, and *you* getting upset over it. If you were so concerned over their 'mistake', then why didn't you offer your assistance in choosing their store-bought system, or even better, offer to build one for them yourself?

The way to gain respect for what you know and can do is not posting rants and pointing the finger at people with little or no computer skills and making them look/feel like idiots.
 
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