Which Phenom?

Twist86 said:
Better performance at higher resolutions from what I was told. On some review I saw the difference was like 8-9 FPS per GPU @ 1900 x 1440.

More then anything it just allows more processing power for the main GPU. I could be wrong but thats how I was told.
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Thats not bad considering 4850's are only gonna get cheaper, im just hopin it won't bottleneck but if that board really is better for overclocking ya i can probably spend an extra 50 bucks if its really worth it. I just don't wanna be adding an extra 50 bucks to each and every part right now atleast, all i want is cheap performance now. I wanna keep my 9850BE and my 4850's for right now. everytime i go to make a new build i keeping gettin a little bit better and better parts and end up doubling the price, i'm feelin this build now tho ha
 
zer0_c00l said:
ya go spend money on a board and cpu so you cant tell the differnce lol get the GX revised sb750 vs sb600 ive had both listen to me you will get way better oc with it
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i would honestly suggest the board i've presented, it's one numerous OC awards, and the sb750 vs sb600 thing is dumb, it's a sufficient SB and doesn't affect the OC at all.

do you need 8gbs ram? 4gb is usually sufficient, do you do heavy editing at all? i would take 4gb off and invest the $70 somewhere else...

and the 8x8x8x8 is just that it has 4x slots, but only 32 lanes. if you're just using 2x gpus (your two 4850s) you'd still get a full 16x lanes for both, but if you were to implement quad XF, then you'd get less of an increase (it doesn't decrease the performance of the cards by half, because the cards don't fully utilize 16x lanes, but you won't get 100% the cards power)
also, the lanes are all PCI-E2.0, which has something near double the bandwidth of PCI-E, so it'd be like a 32x32x15x15x if compared to the first gen of PCI-E...
 
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i took off 4gbs of ram, only reason i had it on there was because i got somethin like 30 bucks off if i had the 4850's as a combo with the ram, so i just had 2 of the same combo and i was only really spending like 30-40 bucks on the extra 4gbs of ram so i just went for it, but i didnt realise the combo expired. Anyone has any experience with newegg after black friday? wanna know if they usually have alot of deals even tho they are an online retailer, but if they usually do then i could just wait, no biggy. Also, since its all about about the mobo, would i see a noticable difference if i found a board with "4 x PCIe 2 16x" that actually all run at 16x or would it not even matter considering my 4850's aren't highend?
 
MrBucket said:
i took off 4gbs of ram, only reason i had it on there was because i got somethin like 30 bucks off if i had the 4850's as a combo with the ram, so i just had 2 of the same combo and i was only really spending like 30-40 bucks on the extra 4gbs of ram so i just went for it, but i didnt realise the combo expired. Anyone has any experience with newegg after black friday? wanna know if they usually have alot of deals even tho they are an online retailer, but if they usually do then i could just wait, no biggy. Also, since its all about about the mobo, would i see a noticable difference if i found a board with "4 x PCIe 2 16x" that actually all run at 16x or would it not even matter considering my 4850's aren't highend?
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do you plan on having a four graphics card system? your two 4850's will only use the 2 16x slots, you will have no issue running them. i can't recall with the Black Friday, i do know there will be sales though, not sure how much... also the nextgen cpus will trickle in before then, so you may notice a small decrease in prices too... i really recommend the MSI K9A2 790FX, i've got it, and it's compatible with the 140w Phenoms (9950 BE) and will be with the next gen Phenoms also (as it supports DDR2-1066)
 
no i don't really have a plan for it but i was just wondering if im going to get a mobo with x16 that run a 8x8x8x8 when all for are in, would it make an even bigger difference if i got a mobo that ran 16x16x16x16? just askin
 
Mr. Johanssen said:
i and the sb750 vs sb600 thing is dumb, it's a sufficient SB and doesn't affect the OC at all.
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Why would you say that? Dont just say that because your board doesnt have the SB750 and your trying to push it. Hell I have one with the SB600 and admit the SB750 is superior in about all ways. When its proved by most that the SB750 does overclock better.

The SB600 is a old ATI SB chip throw back that they kept because the SB700 wasnt ready yet and they wanted to get out the NB700 series. The SB750 is just beefed up SB700. The SB750 has 6 pins connected to the CPU socket and 2 pins connected to the CPU directly and it will bypass the CPU internal setting to allow a higher overclock. It can change or adjust the value of the Advanced Clock Calibration. The SB600 has a setting of -2 to 0 and the SB750 has -12 to +12.
 
The 16x16x16x16 would obviously be better, but I do not believe there are boards out that even have 64+ PCI-E lanes, 32 seems to be the max for video lanes.

StrangleHold said:
Why would you say that? Dont just say that because your board doesnt have the SB750 and your trying to push it. Hell I have one with the SB600 and admit the SB750 is superior in about all ways. When its proved by most that the SB750 does overclock better.

The SB600 is a old ATI SB chip throw back that they kept because the SB700 wasnt ready yet and they wanted to get out the NB700 series. The SB750 is just beefed up SB700. The SB750 has 6 pins connected to the CPU socket and 2 pins connected to the CPU directly and it will bypass the CPU internal setting to allow a higher overclock. It can change or adjust the value of the Advanced Clock Calibration. The SB600 has a setting of -2 to 0 and the SB750 has -12 to +12.
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I'm not trying to push the board. I said it was a good board, and regardless of the SB, he's going to be paying extra for hdmi and the onboard video that correlates to the GX line. If he could find a cheaper board, with SB750 that'd be great, but I , because I have the board and KNOW that it runs well, and has achieved better overclocks than most comparable boards, that it would be a good choice, and would be a good choice for him, lest he decides to upgrade graphics cards to a 4x solution or not. The Biostar board he referenced in his sig has a noticeably smaller motherboard cooling solution, which will be necessary as the 9850BE has a 125w TDP not overclocked, and the MSI board has mosfet cooling, NB, and SB, all integrated through the CircuPipe layout, which for me has kept all components very cool.
 
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I never said your board didnt or compared it to the other one. I ask why you said the difference between the SB600 and SB750 was (dumb) and doesnt effect overclocking at all. When it proven it does and is a superior SB in about all aspects including the clock calibration. The 600 is a old SB and should have been upgraded when they went to the NB700 but they did a rush job. I've installed alot of boards with the SB600 and havent had any problems but at this point I would not recommend a SB600 on a new board or build.

If you want to go with a new FX board I would choose either of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136057
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131339
 
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Those are both <$170 motherboards, and his original was only $100, and i figured even the board i suggested was a stretch.
MrBucket said:
I just don't wanna be adding an extra 50 bucks to each and every part right now atleast, all i want is cheap performance now.
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His board will be fine, but i suggested looking elsewhere for a board with less onboard graphics features, as he may save a few bucks.
 
I,ll try this one more time. The first post you said you wasnt pushing your board, then give a paragraph how you are. The second post you talked about prices. Beginning to feel like I'm talking to PC eye. Just answer the question.

Why did you say between the SB600 vs. 750 was dumb and doesnt effect overclocking at all? When in fact it does and the SB600 is behind in Sata ports and Raid 5, USB performance and USB ports. The SB600 is a two and half year old part and 130nm., the SB750 is 55nm. Plus the clock calibration. The SB750 is alot better SB than the 600.
 
the board that i posted has the same exact southbridge sooo, what exactly am i paying extra for, is Quad PCIe going to be the new thing for video cards or what?
 
StrangleHold said:
I,ll try this one more time. The first post you said you wasnt pushing your board, then give a paragraph how you are. The second post you talked about prices. Beginning to feel like I'm talking to PC eye. Just answer the question.

Why did you say between the SB600 vs. 750 was dumb and doesnt effect overclocking at all? When in fact it does and the SB600 is behind in Sata ports and Raid 5, USB performance and USB ports. The SB600 is a two and half year old part and 130nm., the SB750 is 55nm. Plus the clock calibration. The SB750 is alot better SB than the 600.
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Yes and i've ceded the point that the SB750 is superior, but, given my experience with the damn chip, it performs on par with the SB750. Benchmark what you will, I've had my MSI K9A2 and my cousin's ASUS M3A32, my cpu can run stable 3.44ghz on air, and his 9750 to 2.9ghz on air. My main point was, he may be paying more for the SB750 and onboard graphics, and i suggested finding alternatives without both. TrustedReviews got their 9850 @ 3ghz easily.
 
Thank you. But your comparison doesnt really prove anything. Two different boards and 2 different processors. The 9750 is known as one of the worse X4 overclockers and the X2 5000 one of the best of the X2 brisbanes. The original 9750 was a 125W, same as the 9850BE and the new 9950BE. They used a lower yield core to get a non BE to 2.4, didnt have much overhead no matter what SB you have. Most 9550s will clock just as far. Now the new 9750 95W which is hard to find is a different story.
 
StrangleHold said:
Thank you. But your comparison doesnt really prove anything. Two different boards and 2 different processors. The 9750 is known as one of the worse X4 overclockers and the X2 5000 one of the best of the X2 brisbanes. The original 9750 was a 125W, same as the 9850BE and the new 9950BE. They used a lower yield core to get a non BE to 2.4, didnt have much overhead no matter what SB you have. Most 9550s will clock just as far. Now the new 9750 95W which is hard to find is a different story.
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His was an older 9750.
Nonetheless, we both got as good or better overclocks , than people have gotten with their SB750. All i was trying to say. Maybe synthetically the SB750 has higher benches, but if done right, the motherboard isn't the bottleneck on oc, it's the cpu.
 
well im not too huge on overclocking, maybe just a few 100 Mhz but nothing major. But i am so lost in my own thread now. . . So would getting that 4 x PCIe2.0 slots, which will probably all end up being 4850's would be a good idea, or would they just go outdated after a while and not work correctly with games like 2 years from now. I'm so confused
 
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