Which do you guys think is better...?

PC eye said:
I don't bother reading newegg reviews. AMD now owns ATI explaining where they have been focusing their attention when falling behind Intel as far as quad cpus. The focus was on taking on NVidia with the newer lines of cards coming out.

The 4850 is still going to be a mid range model card something to consider if the new build FlarOn is planning will be strictly for gaming.
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Pretty much for gaming bro. Probably video editing too, for my friends at school (we like to make horror movies, good thing it's safe outside at like 3 a.m. where I live.) :P. I don't know though, it's so hard to decide. I like how the 4850 is cheaper and from ATi (yeah, yeah ATi fanboi), but I also like how the 9800 GTX+ is supposed to be better.... D:
 
PC eye said:
I don't bother reading newegg reviews. AMD now owns ATI explaining where they have been focusing their attention when falling behind Intel as far as quad cpus. The focus was on taking on NVidia with the newer lines of cards coming out.

The 4850 is still going to be a mid range model card something to consider if the new build FlarOn is planning will be strictly for gaming.
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Yes, I'm very aware of the history of ATi. That doesn't answer how you can compare a 9800 GTX+ and a 4870 X2. If the OP was going for a model card they wouldn't look at either of the 2 mentioned...

Anyway, I see the trouble in deciding between the two. I would suggest the 4850 because of lower cost, less power consumption, and if you get another crossfire has a slightly better performance increase than sli (~80% to ~70%), so that may balance it out.
 
What you would see with a high end card over a mid range while I game here at times running the HD 2600XT model is more support for things like antiliasing and antisostropic filtering plus the obvious larger vpu power. The next version of Windows however will see something new for adding to older lower quality cards a kind of a virtual video card.

You can look over the article on that posted in the Windows 7 warp thread seen at http://www.computerforum.com/137199-windows-7-warp.html

I've been running ATI cards for quite some time now while not needing more then a mid range card for just about anything. The 4850 would certainly be a step up from the HD 2600XT model run here being a newer PCI-E 2.0 model.
 
Ok, it has already been established the 4850 is mid-high end. And obviously a 4850 is a step up from the 2600XT, my old HIS 2600XT is probably 1/4 as powerful as a 4850, if that. I don't know where you are going with this.

The issue I had was your comparison of the 9800 GTX+, a mid-high card, to the 4870 X2, the best card on the market now. And calling the 9800 GTX+ high end and not comparable to the 4850 is wrong. The benchmarks shown earlier prove they are just about on par with each other, and we are only looking at gaming here. With some movie watching, in which ATi cards destroy nvidia cards.
 
I just got done pointing out why a high end card is better for a gaming build then a mid range model. It's not which card sees better benchmarks but which card offers more support for the things mentioned before! You first start off with a card that does offer support then look for the best performer in that catagory you can afford.
 
More general knowledge as a bypass of the issue.

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The problem with that is that the 9800 GTX+ and 4850 offer the same support for AA and AS. They are both mid-high end cards, same price range, same performance. The OP isn't using it for anything other than games and movie watching.

EDIT: I could go for some popcorn. :/
 
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I thought that was someone's brain matter there since most would see grey! :P That would explain some of the comments you hear from that source to start with.
 
Still haven't answered how you could compare the 9800 GTX+ and 4870 X2 in any aspect, or showing how the 9800 GTX+ is high end in comparison to the 4850. I suppose that ship has sailed, though.

Really? Personal attack on Stranglehold, when you avoid any gaping holes put in your "logic"

DONE! /thread

this has killed my inner child
 
Still haven't answered how you could compare the 9800 GTX+ and 4870 X2 in any aspect, or showing how the 9800 GTX+ is high end in comparison to the 4850.
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Cummon PC eye, you can do it, mate! Improvise, improvise *cheers* :P;)
 
Alright, enough already. If you want to continue going back and forth on what is an uppder midrange and what is a highend card that's fine as it somewhat is relevant for this thread but the rest of this is just garbage.

PC eye said:
Me said:
I would probably lean towards the 4850. If I was buying a video card now, ATI looks like the path to take for best value/performance.
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I can readily agree on things leaning towards ATI lately. The 4850 wouldn't be the actual performer to compare with the 9800 however.
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What I was saying was right now ATI cards tend to give you more performance per $ you spend.
 
Also, the 4850 is the direct compeition for the 9800.

I'd go for the 4850, it makes more sense, since it's cheaper and performs pretty much the same.
 
Wow...just wow. PC Eye does it again. I just don't understand how his brain works...one of the great bizarro mysteries of the world. It's pointless to argue with him because he will never, ever admit that he was wrong (or off-track, or just plain weird).

Anyway, to answer the OP's question, you might want to get the 9800 GTX+. Both cards are about equal, but it seems your board is for SLI. That's always a good tie-breaker way of deciding. Another way is to look at benchmarks in the games you care about. I wouldn't pay much attention to 3dmark06 because the 4850 seems to do synthetic benchmarks poorly.

I'm an AMD/ATI fanboy, but if I had an SLI board, I'd go with Nvidia--unless I had absolutely no desire for dual cards. To be honest, you can't go wrong either way.
 
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smoothjk said:
Wow...just wow. PC Eye does it again. I just don't understand how his brain works...one of the great bizarro mysteries of the world. It's pointless to argue with him because he will never, ever admit that he was wrong (or off-track, or just plain weird).

Anyway, to answer the OP's question, you might want to get the 9800 GTX+. Both cards are about equal, but it seems your board is for SLI. That's always a good tie-breaker way of deciding. Another way is to look at benchmarks in the games you care about. I wouldn't pay much attention to 3dmark06 because the 4850 seems to do synthetic benchmarks poorly.

I'm an AMD/ATI fanboy, but if I had an SLI board, I'd go with Nvidia--unless I had absolutely no desire for dual cards. To be honest, you can't go wrong either way.
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look for single card performance. he can't do SLI unless his PSU has four 6-pin plugs. if it has two, he would need to connect four 4-pin molex plugs to two 6-pin PCI-E plugs.
 
smoothjk said:
Wow...just wow. PC Eye does it again. I just don't understand how his brain works...one of the great bizarro mysteries of the world. It's pointless to argue with him because he will never, ever admit that he was wrong (or off-track, or just plain weird).

Anyway, to answer the OP's question, you might want to get the 9800 GTX+. Both cards are about equal, but it seems your board is for SLI. That's always a good tie-breaker way of deciding. Another way is to look at benchmarks in the games you care about. I wouldn't pay much attention to 3dmark06 because the 4850 seems to do synthetic benchmarks poorly.

I'm an AMD/ATI fanboy, but if I had an SLI board, I'd go with Nvidia--unless I had absolutely no desire for dual cards. To be honest, you can't go wrong either way.
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lovely? said:
look for single card performance. he can't do SLI unless his PSU has four 6-pin plugs. if it has two, he would need to connect four 4-pin molex plugs to two 6-pin PCI-E plugs.
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CRAP!!!!! I forgot to mention I don't own the board yet. I would just buy a Crossfire board. -.- :D
 
Really cool idea here:

What if they could crossfire/SLI a nVidia + an ATI card together, because it seems the 9800 is good at the weaker points of the 4850 and vice versa, so if you doubled em up you would have a really awesome graphics combo! That would be sweet, but i dont think it's possible :(
 
ikermalli said:
Really cool idea here:

What if they could crossfire/SLI a nVidia + an ATI card together, because it seems the 9800 is good at the weaker points of the 4850 and vice versa, so if you doubled em up you would have a really awesome graphics combo! That would be sweet, but i dont think it's possible :(
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We can dream my friend. I know some guy did it somehow using 2 HD 4870's as the main cards, and then a GTX 260 as a phsyics card.
 
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