AMDs Bounce Back

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GSAV55

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It took ATI nearly 10 years to bounce back and topple Nvidia. 2 years ago, AMD was on top for 6 years before Intel trumped them. When do you think AMD will really start shining again in a more competative market?
 
The Phenom II I think will be the start. Intel has AMD beat on time line with die shrinkage by about 1 year, maybe 1.5. But now that Intel has gone to monolith quad, AMD has been doing it for a 1.5 years already. Think 2009 to early 2010 will be drag out fight for the lowend to lower upperend. But who knows, if the Phenom II overclocks like the claims say they can. And this is just the first release stepping, we could have a drag out for the upper end too later in the year.

I,m just waiting for the release to see how well it stacks up against the prereleased models.. And I,m going to add something nobody is talking about. All these figures we are talking about are the Phenom II 45nm. AM2+ parts. Early in the first of the year the Phenom II 45nm. AM3 parts come out. (Nobody) knows other than having a DDR2/3 memory controller, what other core tweaks have been done to them.
 
Nope AM2+ and AM3 are the same socket. Interchangeable. My board already has a AM3 bios update. Thats why on the AM3 Phenoms they put a DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller so they can be used on either board. The AM3 boards will have DDR3 slots.
 
AMD made a big mistake when the dropped the 939 socket like they did, so their not going to make the same mistake twice.

The first AM2 processor was no more than a 939 core with a DDR2 memory controller. But they changed the pin layout to AM2/940 pins. Instead of making a 939 with a DDR/DDR2 memory controller, and they could of just released 939 boards with DDR2 slots. That way the AM2 could have been a drop in replacement on a 939 board and ran DDR too.

So if you wanted to upgrade AMD 939 to a AM2 processor you have to buy a board and memory and processor. Well the Core 2 was released right afterwards, and alot of people jumped ship.
 
i agree amd is going to be really close to intel after the am3 cpu's come out,
with the i7 cpu you have to buy new ram new motherbored and a new cpu, which you could spend over 1000 bucks on easy because the parts are so exspensive, but when the am3 cpus come out you can just buy the new cpu for 300 dollars or however much there selling it for,
 
The Phenom II is going to gain back a lot of the market share AMD lost the past couple of years. Not everyone wants to spend the kind of money needed to go to Core i7. It might seem like people do because on the forums, we tend to attract fanboys and enthusiasts, but mainstream, AMD is going to make a big splash.
 
but mainstream, AMD is going to make a big splash.
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Dunno about that... AMD already has great mainstream products performance as well as price-wise, but Intel still dominates the mainstream segment as well... simply because they have more market presence; having the best product on the market gives the consumer impression of a better brand, and anyways Intel has way more funds for marketing & advertising. It's like having to choose between two mainstream cars; one branded Porsche and the other Opel. Sure, the Porsche won't be any better than the Opel, but people are more likely to buy it because the name Porsche is associated with quality, high performance and prestige... well you get the point. I really hope AMD can offer the great value the way they did with the 4xxx cards... having a competitive product ain't enough right now, they need to have a better product, and if performance ain't going to make it the best (which it won't thanks to i7), value has to *fingers crossed*
 
I think in the end, (if amd can make it to the end) amd will be the final winner. There design makes more sense to me and I think that ever since core 2 intel has just been making there cpus more "amdlike"
 
I think in the end, (if amd can make it to the end) amd will be the final winner. There design makes more sense to me and I think that ever since core 2 intel has just been making there cpus more "amdlike"
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There will be no "end"; unless either Intel or AMD goes bankrupt. Which won't happen until 1)The Rapture 2)3rd World War or 3)George W. Bush makes a comeback. Until then, it will be like the bitchy teen sisters fighting over a guy... never-ending, constantly changing the situation to something more exciting and juicy, making bystanders speculate and spread rumors... AMD just forgot to use waterproof foundation this round while Intel had a balloon filled with water, let's see what happens next.
 
Wow Im glad I stumbled onto this thread. I was about to pull the trigger on a new i7 build, but may just build an AM2 setup and upgrade to the AM3 when they start rolling out. Im just getting back into the PC hobby and Im doing all that I can to learn about the new stuff.
 
Just make sure you get a good AM2+ board, not a AM2. I dont think they will give to many AM2 boards with a bios update. They are in the business of selling boards and the older AM2 board, probable not to many will get one.
 
IN my opinion, AMD has been the best bang-for-your-buck CPU manufacturer, you get a lot of power for what you are paying. A few years ago they had their enthusiast FX series for socket 939, but now that Intel has released the Core 2 Extremes they basically snatched back the enthusiast market. I hope that AMD manages to make a comeback, because deep down I'm still an AMD person (even though I have an Intel CPU :P) but like people have said previously AMD should win back the mainstream crowd if they manage to deliver a quality product at a good price, since I think nowadays not many people have the spare cash to drop $1000 on the top-of-the-line Intel's.
 
I am disappointed in the new i7 processors. The lowest Wattage on these processors is 130 Watts. I personally don't prefer processors that use over 100 Watts.

Intel's Core 2 Duos and some of their Quad-Cores are excellent, but I have been sold on Advanced Micro Devices ever since owning an Athlon XP 2200+ processor in 2003.
 
ducis said:
I think in the end, (if amd can make it to the end) amd will be the final winner. There design makes more sense to me and I think that ever since core 2 intel has just been making there cpus more "amdlike"
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If they made them "AMD like", then how come the Intel processors outperform the AMD's?
 
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