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Its less about wattage and more about the 12V rail amperage. The Corsair has 30A on the 12V rail which is sufficient for that system with some upgrade potential. All but one of the first PSUs you mentioned cannot provide as much amperage even though the total rated wattage is higher.
 
bigfellla said:
Its less about wattage and more about the 12V rail amperage. The Corsair has 30A on the 12V rail which is sufficient for that system with some upgrade potential. All but one of the first PSUs you mentioned cannot provide as much amperage even though the total rated wattage is higher.
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Well, you underestimate the Xclio goodpower unit, its an excellent budget unit and i would recommend it far over the corsair if they want some upgrade potential. The Xclio stablepower is also an excellent choice but costs a few bucks more, but you get larger +12v rail capacity(. Both are based off of CWT internals i believe)


That antec is an excellent unit as well, and i wouldnt hesitate to buy it. Corsair is generally overrated as a power supply manufacturer, they do put out some fine units but you end up paying for it, when the antec is generally of higher quality anyhow.
 
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bomberboysk said:
Well, you underestimate the Xclio goodpower unit, its an excellent budget unit and i would recommend it far over the corsair if they want some upgrade potential. The Xclio stablepower is also an excellent choice .
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Sorry bomber, cant agree, in fact i think i overrated that PSU, upon closer look, it is even shitter than i thought.

The first XCLIO has SHITE efficiency, no active PFC, an older ATX design standard, not EPS12 (thus very poor 12V rail amperage availability), 4 years LESS warranty and its MTFB is 20% lower than standard and rated at 25oC which is rubbish. The second XCLIO is not much better. The Antec is a good unit, however it has 2 years less warranty than the Corsair.

For a few dollars more, the Corsair is by far the better unit where 30A is plenty for the specified system specs with room for upgade.
 
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bigfellla said:
The XCLIO has poor efficiency, not EPS12 (thus very poor 12V rail amperage available), and the Antec is MTFB rated at 25oC, has 2 years less warranty.

The Corsair is by far the better unit where 30A is plenty.
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Generally speaking, the antec provides more bang for the buck. The warranty period is somewhat meaningless aswell, because even the zalman unit i own only has a 3 year warranty period.

Not sure what your talking not EPS12v,all EPS 12v is is the cpu power connector(which both of those xclio units have, both 8pin and 4pin).

And the effeciency of the xclio units is ~78-83% from the units ive tested, which is better than alot of budget psu's out there.

Ive personally tested both xclio units, and are capable of providing relatively clean power for a budget unit of the wattage(similar to the output of the 400CX), but with a higher load capacity. The rail voltage stability on both units is also excellent, with load testing(using a carbon pile load tester that is generally used for car batteries) the +12v,5v,and 3.3v rails did not fall below 12v/5v/3.3v respectively even at full load.

As far as active PFC is concerned,to the general user active PFC is totally useless. Active PFC is only an advantage in business and industrial applications where you pay for amperage used, not overall wattage as in a home usage scenario.
 
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EPS12 means that 12V+1 is dedicated to the CPU, effectively 'isolating' any remaining 12V+1 rated amperage from the rest of the 12V system (check the standard if you don't understand). The warranty period is not meaningless by any sense, as it is an indicator of quality. The XCLIO has a warranty of 1 year which is crap! Apart from the across the board lower quality, these PSUs, with respect, regardless of your 'testing' should be avoided for the few dollars it costs to get the Corsair.

The XCLIOs are really really shit quality, so to the OP, buy one at your own risk.

The Corsair is protected under a very good warranty for 5 years, and for me, that is worth the extra $4.
 
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EPS12 means that 12V+1 is dedicated to the CPU, effectively 'isolating' any remaining rated amperage from the rest of the 12V system (check the standard if you don't understand). The warranty period is not meaningless by any sense, as it is an indicator of quality. The XCLIO has a warranty of 1 year which is crap! Apart from the across the board lower quality, these PSUs, with respect, regardless of your 'testing' should be avoided for the few dollars it costs to get the Corsair.

The XCLIOs are really really shit quality, so to the OP, buy one at your own risk.

The Corsair is protected under a very good warranty for 5 years, and for me, that is worth the extra $4.
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Xclio uses the same OEM that corsair uses for their higher priced units, CWT.

Also, that is not EPS12v, that is part of the ATX standard. Like i said earlier, EPS12v is just the standard 8pin/4pin supplimentary cpu power connector.

If you want to talk about shit quality psu's, talk about rosewill, Hec/Compucase, Bestec, Raidmax, Apevia, Ultra, Raidmax, etc. The Xclio units are not crappy units by any means.
 
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yes, that is what i meant, the two PSUs don't have EPS12, thus cannot take full advantage of specified rated amperage, if you think the XCLIO is a good PSU, fine, but you are having a laugh. Having a similar (CWT) reference design means nothing if the XCLIO has very poor components.
 
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yes, that is what i meant, the two PSUs don't have EPS12, thus cannot take full advantage of specified rated amperage. it appears you don't understand PSU design, however I cannot be bothered, if you think the XCLIO is a good PSU you are having a laugh.
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Both units have a 4+4pin cpu eps12v power connector. I understand psu design plenty, and know what makes a psu to be of poor or good quality. The xclio units do not use cheap components in them and have a solid design for +12v regulation.
 
the XCLIO is a piece of shit period. i am not going to argue here about it, however as i have demonstrated all of the quality indicators have failed. Read the EPS12 standard because you don't seem to understand PSUs at all. I will unsubscibe now because i just cant be bothered arguing.
 
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the XCLIO is a piece of shit period. i am not going to argue here about it, however as i have demonstrated all of the quality indicators have failed. Read the EPS12 standard because you don't seem to understand PSUs at all. I will unsubscibe now because i just cant be bothered arguing.
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Again, EPS12v is not a standard, and i know what i am talking about when it comes to power supplies. And judging by your posts in this thread, you are kinda coming across as a fanboy of the corsair products...
 
Standard here: http://www.enermax.cn/enermax_pdf/EPS12V Spec2_92.pdf

You will notice that in addition to standard ATX, EPS12 removes the reference to common and split 12V planes, addition of cross loading plots and update cross loading requirements.

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... judging by your posts in this thread, you are kinda coming across as a fanboy of the corsair products...
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Seriously, Corsair make some of the best PSUs on the market. I might be a fan of them, but unlike you I am not a boy.
 
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ATX12V 2.0 is when the CPU power connector rail was made (so called) independent.

EPS12 was just adding the 8 or 4/8 CPU power connector.

I guess you could say, if it has EPS12 standard that it would also cover prior Rev. But its not a rule they have to.
 
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Standard here: http://www.enermax.cn/enermax_pdf/EPS12V Spec2_92.pdf

Seriously, Corsair make some of the best PSUs on the market. I might be a fan of them, but unlike you I am not a boy.
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Not to knock corsair, as they do produce a decent quality unit, the tx850 is somewhat of a poor design. The same platform is used as the tx750w, and the CWT design it was based off places its maximum limits at a 850W load. This shows on the +12v rails under load where they fall under +12v and effeciency falls quite below 80%(closer to 76% and its claimed to be 80plus rated, 80plus certification requires 80% effeciency 20, 50, and 100% load levels.0

Also, here in the states the 750tx is also somewhat redundant, especially when the pcp&c 750W silencer can be had for similar if not a lower cost, with better voltage regulation than the corsair, and better cooling and quieter even though it only has an 80mm fan(a good rear mounted fan easily beats a 120mm top or bottom mounted fan in a power supply).
 
read the ****in specification doc. not all psus have EPS12, regardless of the connector, thus the limitations of the 240VAC ATX design standard apply.

we are off topic.

the OP asked for advice,

teh XCLIO is a POS period.
 
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