Nvidia GTX 4xx fermi cards

[just a noob]

I'm just going to leave this quote here:

You are confusing two things. DX11 is not the same as Tessellation. Tessellation is a part of DX11, it is a subset of it, it's a part of it, but it is not the same as it. Whilst it's an important part of DX11, it's doesn't define DX11 and few DX11 games will use tessellation on every part of their level as Unigine does. No game will use tessellation to the same extent as Heaven, because Heaven is just trying to kill your FPS as much as possible. It puts so many extra polygons on that you could cut the poly-count by about 50% and not notice a difference. In fact, it's very hard to tell the difference between Normal and Extreme tessellation. Benchmarks are designed to stress systems as much as possible to artificially generate a performance gradient between systems, games are designed to look good whilst still performing well on every system. That's why there are no big games that use the Unigine Engine in development at the moment.

Heaven is not indicative of DX11 game performance, this is clear in actual games where your single 470 will not come anywhere near the performance of two 5870s, or even a single 5870 (a single 5870 beats the 470 by roughly twelve percent across games).

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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[funkysnair]

just bare in mind that your eyes wont notice the difference in the higher fps, i have no problems with nvidia but the 5850 is the sweet spot for me

 

[Ryeong]

I'm just going to leave this quote here:


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Well, that's why i didn't buy 470.. 480 has nice overclocking-potential and i was able to oc A LOT. I still need some new drivers.

 

[Leopold Butters]

This thread is getting ugly.

 

[StrangleHold]

I've not got the impression of you being older than 18.

Thats the problem. Your impressions on things are not reality.

 

[tlarkin]

Not to be rude, but you're realy wrong about the 5850. I have EVERY game I own maxed settings and AA. Bad company 2, Modern warefare 2, crysis, etc. Great frame rates on my 32 inch tv and no stuttering, the card is F*#king legit. This doesnt mean the 5850 is better, just really good for price/performance. And its not unoriginal, more people have Nvidia than ATI. I also watched every Official/professional benchmark and, No, the 480 is not better than the 5970 in any category.

I know, I have a GTX 260 1gig, and I play all my games maxed as well, and all of them get over 50 FPS. I run, L4D 2, COD 4 and MW 2, Fallout 3 w/ the HD graphics mod, TF2, Crysis, all of the Dawn of War games, plus several other RTS games I play as well.

Over clocking, and SLI, crossfire, are kind of a marketing scheme if you ask me. I used to always have the latest and greatest video card, and I was building PCs back when pretty much all you could do is buy a Voodoo PCI add on card and add Glide support to your existing 2MB onboard video. My very first video card I bought was a 4Meg ATI rage card, and back then 4 Megs of video memory was insane! Mechwarrior II online play had never so awesome with out the video card.

For many years I worked retail IT for a company that did private and business sales and I did the IT contract work for their customers. We were also a system's builder and we built many "Ultimate" gaming systems for clients who would drop $4k on a PC no problem.

Over the years I have seen that you can pretty much buy a midgrade video card and get the same performance as a high end card. The only differences are in benchmarking. Games don't stress the system as much as benchmarking does. Therefore, yes, your 3Dmark score will be better, yes other benches will work better, but actual game play, is going to be near identical.

A person has every right to spend their hard earned money on whatever they want. I am not saying they shouldn't or can't go buy the most expensive video cards on the market, that is up to them. I could care less what you buy or what you use. Hell, I am mostly a Mac user these days.

However, a lot of gaming technologies are really just marketing schemes. I run all my games at max settings and get great performance and I even win online against other people with *gasp* better hardware. CUDA is a joke, it makes no difference. I have whole Mac labs running Nvidia cards, and CS4 and are CUDA enabled. It doesn't do anything. Plus, most companies are going to eventually convert to an OpenGL standard, because open source standards are a good thing.

My last experience with Nvidia left a bad taste in my mouth. I was sort of an Nvidia fan boy. I bought a Nvidia card for my HTPC and had nothing but issues with it. I returned it for an ATI card, and out of the box it worked. ATI has better drivers and a better card at the moment in my opinion, due to the design, draws less power, generates less heat, and will give you the performance you desire in your gaming.

 

[Ryeong]

Thats the problem. Your impressions on things are not reality.

What if your impression on things are not reality? Are you telling everyone that you're better, and has a better view on life? Everyone will always have different impressions.

 

[Ryeong]

I posted this on another thread as well. But since this is relevant to this thread i'll repost.

I didn't bother to wait longer than 25 min, but i doubt it would increase much more because it kept going up to 68 and down to 67. MAX temp 69c after 25 min.. I did some changes in my case and i belive it helped the air flow a lot. Also, the heat from GTX 480 is being lead out from the GPU on the other side (back of my case) so it doesn't really affect my case temp.

Clocks

The test was done with 75% fan speed and OVERCLOCKED from the stock To a huge Core 810MHz, Shader 1621MHz, Memory 2000 (4000)MHz. See Pic Beneath:

Additional Notes:

Current room temp: 25c (that's 5c more than yesterday)
Fan Speed: 75% NOT AUTO (i'll test using 100% fan speed another time)
I did make some changes to my case's air-flow (changed the direction of some fans and this alone decreased the 480's temps by almost 10c)

After 25 Min (the temp kept going up to 68 and down to 67 all time time, so i doubt it would go much higher if i let it stay for any longer:

After 15 min:

 

[Aastii]

480 = passionate gamers with DX11-tesselation in mind. The difference between 5870 and 480 is huge in tesselation, but not so huge in DX10. Keep that in mind.

I thought the last time you put "passionate gamer" it got shot down and marketing crap rather than an actual term that meant anything, other than to those that have the cards...

I swear to god the sooner you get over the 400 series the better. Every thread is turning into some kind of slanging match, every thread is getting stretched because of your screenshots which could be put in a single screenshot and still nobody cares now we have seen performance.

Honestly though, I didn't care in the first place. Unless someone had both 400 series cards and a 5850, 70 and 5970 and ran them in the same system in games (not benchmarks) and saw the difference from a video (not numbers or graphs), I'd be interested. However, I highly, HIGHLY doubt any noticable difference would be seen, which is why all of these threads are so completely pointless on every single level, other than to see it is possible, so long as you make your computer sound like a jet taking off, to keep the cards relatively cool, however 70+ degrees is not cool at all really. I should probably know better than to make this next statement because it will get picked up on and run with because it points out an advantage of ATi, but hell, what do I know!!! the last system I built for someone else had a 5850 in and when benching or gaming didn't go over 50 degrees c, so still not exactly close to the ATi cards are they? It is nothing we haven't seen in numbers put out already, so who cares?

 

[Ryeong]

I thought the last time you put "passionate gamer" it got shot down and marketing crap rather than an actual term that meant anything, other than to those that have the cards...

I swear to god the sooner you get over the 400 series the better. Every thread is turning into some kind of slanging match, every thread is getting stretched because of your screenshots which could be put in a single screenshot and still nobody cares now we have seen performance.

Honestly though, I didn't care in the first place. Unless someone had both 400 series cards and a 5850, 70 and 5970 and ran them in the same system in games (not benchmarks) and saw the difference from a video (not numbers or graphs), I'd be interested. However, I highly, HIGHLY doubt any noticable difference would be seen, which is why all of these threads are so completely pointless on every single level, other than to see it is possible, so long as you make your computer sound like a jet taking off, to keep the cards relatively cool, however 70+ degrees is not cool at all really. I should probably know better than to make this next statement because it will get picked up on and run with because it points out an advantage of ATi, but hell, what do I know!!! the last system I built for someone else had a 5850 in and when benching or gaming didn't go over 50 degrees c, so still not exactly close to the ATi cards are they? It is nothing we haven't seen in numbers put out already, so who cares?

You have nothing to do in this section if you don't care. Leave.

I'm just proven what i said earlier about the reviewers leaving the fan on 30-40%. Also, the heat from GTX 480 DOES NOT affect my overall system temps in speedfan. All the heat is directed out of my case on the back where the HDMI-port is etc.

My temp = 70c OVERCLOCKED IN FURMARK BUT IS ONLY AT 60c WHEN GAMING FOR HOURS! .. Thermal temp = 105c .. that's A LOT OF ROOM FOR MORE OVERCLOCK.

Also, when i idle at 33c which is 20 c LESS than what most reviews stated THEN IT IS a huge difference! i also have 25c LESS TEMPS under HEAVY LOAD compared to most reviews on STOCK speed. THIS IS THE ONLY THING i want to prove NOTHING ELSE!

Edit: I HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF HIGHER FPS IN EVERY FKING BENCH I RUN COMPARED TO THE REVIEWS.

EDIT: Most people in other forums didn't react this way, and you do not represent this forum as a whole.

 

[kyleswitch]

[1] That respond is something you might expect from most children. "I know everything", "I've done everything in my life". No, you have not bought all expensive things in your life.

If you just want something then there is no price : performance ratio but rather an Performance : interest ratio.

Edit: Sounds like you're comparing yourself to the majority, why? you're not every single person in the world, YOUR Performance : price acceptance is different compared to others.

Okay, now you're pissing me off. He said "all kinds of" not "all things" Idiot. You need to learn how to spell. And your comment that things may be more or less expensive in other countries, get a clue, europe has an inflation and overcharges on most things haha. Thats why europeans come over here and buy stuff... you seriously need to get off your computer and go outside for a while kid.

 

[kyleswitch]

This thread is getting ugly.

I know, look what I started with a simple question...

 

[kyleswitch]

You have nothing to do in this section if you don't care. Leave.

I'm just proven what i said earlier about the reviewers leaving the fan on 30-40%. Also, the heat from GTX 480 DOES NOT affect my overall system temps in speedfan. All the heat is directed out of my case on the back where the HDMI-port is etc.

My temp = 70c OVERCLOCKED IN FURMARK BUT IS ONLY AT 60c WHEN GAMING FOR HOURS! .. Thermal temp = 105c .. that's A LOT OF ROOM FOR MORE OVERCLOCK.

Also, when i idle at 33c which is 20 c LESS than what most reviews stated THEN IT IS a huge difference! i also have 25c LESS TEMPS under HEAVY LOAD compared to most reviews on STOCK speed. THIS IS THE ONLY THING i want to prove NOTHING ELSE!

Edit: I HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF HIGHER FPS IN EVERY FKING BENCH I RUN COMPARED TO THE REVIEWS.

EDIT: Most people in other forums didn't react this way, and you do not represent this forum as a whole.

Don't tell people to leave and stop giving everyone an attitude. I dont know if you noticed, but not one person agrees with what you are saying or the wat you are acting. So, if you keep posting about the 4xx series cards and being rude to people Im going to talk to a moderator to get you banned from this forum. AND just in case you say you dont care if you get banned and will find a better forum... just know that we dont care and everything will be nice without you. :good:

 

[Ryeong]

Okay, now you're pissing me off. He said "all kinds of" not "all things" Idiot. You need to learn how to spell. And your comment that things may be more or less expensive in other countries, get a clue, europe has an inflation and overcharges on most things haha. Thats why europeans come over here and buy stuff... you seriously need to get off your computer and go outside for a while kid.

Norway is the second richest country in the world, get a clue maybe? GDP (nominal) per capita

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

That's what i ment. GTX 480 was relatively "cheap" here, nor was the price difference "here" huge between gtx 480 and HD 5870.

He said (to simplfy it) that he has bought every single expensive thing/stuff/kinds of (doest really matter) out there. That's just clichê deluxe...

 

[Ryeong]

Don't tell people to leave and stop giving everyone an attitude. I dont know if you noticed, but not one person agrees with what you are saying or the wat you are acting. So, if you keep posting about the 4xx series cards and being rude to people Im going to talk to a moderator to get you banned from this forum. AND just in case you say you dont care if you get banned and will find a better forum... just know that we dont care and everything will be nice without you. :good:

Get me banned from the forum?

Let me leave you with this dear kind sir:

3. Rude, offensive or threatening comments as well as posting of adult material will not be tolerated. Use of bad language is not allowed, some words are censored and will appear as ****. Just because **** appears instead of the banned word, that does not make it alright, you will still receive an infraction/possible ban. If you insult any of the moderator or administrator team, your account will be instantly banned.

In your previous post you have already given yourself a reason to receive an infraction. The same goes for 3 other members that used offensive words before i made any reply (yet, i have not a single time used any offensive words)

There is no such rule that does not give me the rights to make a thead, nor post anything about 480.

 

[kyleswitch]

Norway is the second richest country in the world, get a clue maybe? GDP (nominal) per capita

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

That's what i ment. GTX 480 was relatively "cheap" here, nor was the price difference "here" huge between gtx 480 and HD 5870.

He said (to simplfy it) that he has bought every single expensive thing/stuff/kinds of (doest really matter) out there. That's just clichê deluxe...

reread the post, he said he has bought all kinds of things,not everything. learn proper English if you're going to argue with Americans

 

[Ryeong]

reread the post, he said he has bought all kinds of things,not everything. learn proper English if you're going to argue with Americans

Okay? You Do know that your argument hints your lack of any sense right?

What does all kinds refers to? becasue he didn't mention any product(s) it simply refers to everything.. He said " All kinds of things " that's everything that's in fact a "thing" or an object..

 

[kyleswitch]

Get me banned from the forum?

Let me leave you with this dear kind sir:



In your previous post you have already given yourself a reason to receive an infraction. The same goes for 3 other members that used offensive words before i made any reply (yet, i have not a single time used any offensive words)

There is no such rule that does not give me the rights to make a thead, nor post anything about 480.

to bad i haven't swore once. and besides the fact that someone might have said a bad word you've created a disturbance on the forum.

end thread.

 

[Aastii]

You have nothing to do in this section if you don't care. Leave.

I'm just proven what i said earlier about the reviewers leaving the fan on 30-40%. Also, the heat from GTX 480 DOES NOT affect my overall system temps in speedfan. All the heat is directed out of my case on the back where the HDMI-port is etc.

My temp = 70c OVERCLOCKED IN FURMARK BUT IS ONLY AT 60c WHEN GAMING FOR HOURS! .. Thermal temp = 105c .. that's A LOT OF ROOM FOR MORE OVERCLOCK.

Also, when i idle at 33c which is 20 c LESS than what most reviews stated THEN IT IS a huge difference! i also have 25c LESS TEMPS under HEAVY LOAD compared to most reviews on STOCK speed. THIS IS THE ONLY THING i want to prove NOTHING ELSE!

Edit: I HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF HIGHER FPS IN EVERY FKING BENCH I RUN COMPARED TO THE REVIEWS.

EDIT: Most people in other forums didn't react this way, and you do not represent this forum as a whole.

Before begin, can I just say, I TOO CAN write in CAPITAL letters every few WORDS

I didn't say that temperatures affected your system temps, however now you have mentioned it, you said that you are going off speedfan, which is unreliable at the best of times. As has been advised to you before, use HWmonitor, it is more accurate.

Your temp being 70c in futuremark, that is still 17% higher than the ATi 5850, which was on stock fan settings, so probably wasn't going above 50%. I don't know how the ATi fan system works on the Asus 5850, didn't look it up or fiddle with it, the temps were low enough to not need it , and you can't say that you have alot of room because you are 30 degrees outside of the limit of the chip. If you are riding on 95 degrees that would be way too high, heck, 80 would be, so no, you don't have very much room at all, unless you overclock it, then bench it, then drop it back down, in which case, why?

Can I also point out more reviewers had the card being fairly quiet. I bet with yours being at 75% fan speed, it is anything but. You have to remember you are 20 degrees lower, but also much louder than theirs were

As you like stating rules and as I was caught up for using foul language, I would like to point out it is not allowed in this forum and you should probably read the rules

And finally, at no point did I say I reflected the view of the forum. I thought all of my posts were from my own thinking, not from being a sheep and thinking what everyone else does. I'm able to construct a thought out post with evidence where necessary without putting exactly what everyone else thinks, so what is the point in saying "the whole forum doesn't care about benchmarks"

You know what, you would be surprised, I bet a fair few number of people care a hell of alot more about real world results than benchmarks, and how the ATi cards shape up against the nvidia cards and if the price difference, extra noise and extra temps are justified, seeing as how physx is currently not widely used, and tessalation is a selling point that isn't used in any game and in a handful of benchmarks, so nothing but a way of making more money rather than being useful in any way.

=EDIT=

I swear to god this takes the piss. People are complaining about members that fuel arguments and keep them going and going and going and make the forum:

1. look bad
2. not be a pleasant environment
3. become full of off topic threads that no longer contain any material at all of any kind that is even close to resembling the original topic

Yet nothing is done about any of it. There has been a thread dedicated to this, what came of it, nothing, there have been several threads gone off tiopic about it, what happens, nothing.

I can see several members who are at the heart of most arguments and keep them going, I have voiced concerns and once again, it would appear they have landed of deaf ears, so as much as I appreciate the work done by the higher uppers on this forum [sarcasm] great work with this particular bit guys, really :good: [/sarcasm]

Ryeong, grow the hell up, seriously, learn when to drop it and just laugh at people rather than take them on

 

[StrangleHold]

He said (to simplfy it) that he has bought every single expensive thing/stuff/kinds of (doest really matter) out there. That's just clichê deluxe...

What does all kinds refers to? becasue he didn't mention any product(s) it simply refers to everything.. He said " All kinds of things " that's everything that's in fact a "thing" or an object..

You are very, very slow. There is some lack of something, haven't got my finger on it yet. But something is missing. But I am sure your next post will help me figure it out.