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bbeberle

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Figured since I didn't see a welcoming forum on the list that posting my new specs would do the trick. Don't know as much as I should about computers and decided to join this community and hopefully learn a thing or two. Never hurts to expand your knowledge. On to the niddy gritty. I have a pretty solid computer as of now but I wasn't "that" involved with the building process, loading software, etc. It was built back in 09' and am selling it to buy this new one. I didn't really go big on it other than the video card at the time (GTX 285). Now, I want to build this new one. My budget is 2,000 dollars.

I am sure some will say don't have your first build be an expensive one, but I tend to dive in rather than crawl in. So I suppose I should give yall a list of what I will be buying.

Case - Antec http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

Motherboard - ASUS Sabertooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

CPU - Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

RAM - Kingston HyperX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104118

PSU - Antec TP-750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371025

ROM Drive - ASUS 24x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

GPU - EVGA GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130613

HDD - WD Raptor 10k 450g http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136556

BD Player - Sony(Dur) Using the blue-ray player from old comp and putting it into this new one.

I was going to go with a low rpm HDD and use that in conjunction with a 180g SSD but I've decided against it. I will wait when SSD is more reliable and cheaper in the coming months/year and upgrade then. Here is what I want so far, tell me what yall think, comment, critique, I would love to hear yalls thoughts on this build.

Just in case yall are curious. I will run this computer on my 55' LCD and my Insignia surround sound system. All HDMI connected.
 
Change the hard drive.

For the price you can get an SSD for games + OS + regularly used programs, and a storage hard drive, or if you would rather keep everything together, go for 2 x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

A single one is about the performance of a WD raptor, 2 in RAID0 would flatten it, and you are getting extra capacity, and you are saving a fair amount of money.

I would also change the case, the features that come with Antec cases are pretty much nil. For $20 extra:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160
 
Why a 5400 revolution per minute hard drive over a 7200 RPM hard drive Aastii? Most 7200 RPM hard disk drives have faster load times.
 
Thanks so much for the reply guys.

I like the antec case but I was also looking at that EVO that Benny linked and I reallly like that one as well. I went with Antec but that's what i've always done in the past, as have many of my friends. I will look at all 3 and make a decision tonight.

DCT - Thanks for the link on that combo deal. I'll end p using that over the saber/950.

Now for Aastii,

SSD is pretty dam awesome from the videos and reading ive seen. I am a little uneasy about using a still new storage device tech. But from what I have seen it really is just as if not more reliable than HDD, given it has no moving parts.

I have alot of game and music and movies haha. Atleast a TB of movies. Hell WoW alone is 30+ gigs. I am wondering if I will even have enough space on the SSD to hold all my frequently used programs. If I do get one I will get a 120g SSD PCIe. That should hold OS, Games, Music, and steam games (I hope). Then another HDD for the rest of my BS and then my TB external for all my dam movies.

I am just unsure on what to do. One side wants to use SSD because it's fast and well it's fun haha. And the other side is worried about not having enough space for all the programs I want on the SSD.

I will either do one 10k Raptor or SSD + HDD. I suppose if I am spending all this money I might as well spend extra money and get the fast SSD. Yalls opinions??
 
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2048Megabytes said:
Why a 5400 revolution per minute hard drive over a 7200 RPM hard drive Aastii? Most 7200 RPM hard disk drives have faster load times.
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Snap, I meant to post the 320GB drives:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152244

as for your SSD, you don't put music, films or files on the SSD, only programs. Videos and music do not sound or look any better because they don't even come close to using the full speed of a hard drive in the first place, that would be on your storage drive. And programs such as media players, that only take a few seconds to open from a hard drive would be waste space on an SSD. If you save 2 seconds, it isn't worth it. If you put a game on where you are reducing initial load times by 15 seconds, then every map load, new level load, new location load etc by another 10 seconds, you are talking massive amounts of time saved when it accumulates, so it is definitely worth it. It is worth it especially for your OS too, to take boot times from 90 seconds to 20 secs, that is a massive difference
 
I just bought the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320 gigabyte hard drive about a month ago. I really like the hard drive so far. It is a good component.
 
2048Megabytes said:
I just bought the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320 gigabyte hard drive about a month ago. I really like the hard drive so far. It is a good component.
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The F4's are mental, a 7200RPM drive that can match and outperform the 10k RPM drives, it is something that you would think impossible until you saw it
 
^Mental in a good way?

btw, the 950 is $200 at Microcenter if you can get to one. Sorry if it's already been mentioned.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys, I have been doing a little research on my own and I decided on a total different system that I believe is better and cheaper than what I had originally posted. First off...the SSD is off. I want to wait till the tech is cheaper and is more reliable. I don't want a storage device that degrades that quickly over time. So I will go will a single drive. And I'm perfectly ok with that. Anyways, I suppose yall would like me to shut up and show yall the new specs. Everything has been ordered minus the case, cpu and psu.

Case - Antec 1200 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100

PSU - Antec TP 750 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371025

CPU - AMD 1100T - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913

ROM - ASUS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

GPU - EVGA GTX 570 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130620

RAM - G Skill - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231371

HDD - WD 7200 Black - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

CPU Cooler - Corsair - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181013

MotherBoard - ASUS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...31644&cm_re=Formula_IV-_-13-131-644-_-Product

I know yall will scold me for the HDD but hey it's easy to scold someone when yall aren't paying for it hehe :P What do yall think? I'm pretty excited.
 
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I chose my F3 not because I couldn't afford the higher price of the WD blacks, but because it outperforms the blacks. The F4 is even better, and as I said, it can even outperform your WD velociraptors, which for a 7200 RPM vs 10k RPM dive, is non too shabby.

For the amount you are paying for the CPU, I would sooner go for a 950, or wait for the Sandy Bridge CPU's to hit the shelves again. Although you lose 2 cores, you gain processor performance. It is counter intuitive, but it is a fact. The only time the 1100T meets or beats the i7's is during heavy multi-processing, meaning unless you spend all of your time compressing and decompressing files, the 950 is the way to go.

A H70 isn't anything more than a glorified air cooler. You can save a lot by sticking to a conventional air cooler, but maintain the same standard of cooling, and better. At stock, the all-in-one loops generally will give better temps, but they aren't as good under load, or when overclocked. I would go for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103089&cm_re=v6-_-35-103-089-_-Product

For your memory, if you decide to ignore my suggestion about going with a 950 rather than the Thuban CPU, then swap your memory to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

It is not only cheaper, but you are getting double the capacity, and performance will increase, even though the clocks are lower.

And finally, again if you ignore my suggestion about going with a 950, change the motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157208

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441

cost less, but give you the same features and more

More of a suggestion than a "this is better", but I would change the case to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119213

instead. It costs less, but it comes with way more
 
Aastii said:
I chose my F3 not because I couldn't afford the higher price of the WD blacks, but because it outperforms the blacks. The F4 is even better, and as I said, it can even outperform your WD velociraptors, which for a 7200 RPM vs 10k RPM dive, is non too shabby.

For the amount you are paying for the CPU, I would sooner go for a 950, or wait for the Sandy Bridge CPU's to hit the shelves again. Although you lose 2 cores, you gain processor performance. It is counter intuitive, but it is a fact. The only time the 1100T meets or beats the i7's is during heavy multi-processing, meaning unless you spend all of your time compressing and decompressing files, the 950 is the way to go.

A H70 isn't anything more than a glorified air cooler. You can save a lot by sticking to a conventional air cooler, but maintain the same standard of cooling, and better. At stock, the all-in-one loops generally will give better temps, but they aren't as good under load, or when overclocked. I would go for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103089&cm_re=v6-_-35-103-089-_-Product

For your memory, if you decide to ignore my suggestion about going with a 950 rather than the Thuban CPU, then swap your memory to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

It is not only cheaper, but you are getting double the capacity, and performance will increase, even though the clocks are lower.

And finally, again if you ignore my suggestion about going with a 950, change the motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157208

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441

cost less, but give you the same features and more

More of a suggestion than a "this is better", but I would change the case to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119213

instead. It costs less, but it comes with way more
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Thanks so much for your input Aastii, as far as the case goes, ive seen it in person and have 3 good friends who have it and say they really enjoy it. I think in this case its personal preference.

Truth be told I have been having a friend who works in IT for the military help me in this build. It's actually rather similar to what he has. I've been told by many many many people that for gaming purposes and that's really all I do, the AMD will perform better if not the same as the i7 at a cheaper cost. I've also been told that unless im playing 2 games, editing videos, watching 2 movies and having sex with 4 girls at once I really don't need the i7's. I chosse to get the 6 core, cheaper, amd.

As far as the CPU cooler goes. From the reviews I've read and videos I've seen not only friends who have it. Say its one of the best things they have ever bought. Again, probably another case of what someone perfers.

For the RAM, I don't need 8 gigs haha. I prolly don't even need 6. It's cheaper because it's slower. I would have have the 4gigs thats faster and is made specifically for my CPU.

As far as the motherboard goes yes I do agree with you on that. But from everything I saw the only thing that is better is the OBS. Which is important to me. It may be more expensive but I am also getting a much better quality OBS.

I'm starting to understand that I could ask 10 people about this and I would get 10 different minor changes to the build haha. I am super excited about this build and I certainly thank you for your input. I really enjoy debating which parts are the best and so on and so forth. I may be new to this but I love learning what different people think.
 
keep in mind, that with the boards you have been looking at, and considering that you are getting a nvidia card, you will not be able to run sli in the future should you decide to get a 2nd gtx 570. i noticed all the boards you have looked at have more than 1 pci express slot, so im assuming that you may run a dual card set up sometime in the future? if not then you could maybe save some money on a single pci express motherboard. if you do want to do sli in the future and run 2 or more nvidia cards, then there are really only a few out that will allow you to with an amd cpu. 2 would be the asus m4n98td evo, and another by msi. i have the asus one, and i am pretty happy with it. running 2 gtx 470's. let us know what you end up with
 
Well I am hoping in the near future that SSD tech will improve and I will be able to use those PCIe slots for SSD cards.
 
bbeberle said:
Thanks so much for your input Aastii, as far as the case goes, ive seen it in person and have 3 good friends who have it and say they really enjoy it. I think in this case its personal preference.

Truth be told I have been having a friend who works in IT for the military help me in this build. It's actually rather similar to what he has. I've been told by many many many people that for gaming purposes and that's really all I do, the AMD will perform better if not the same as the i7 at a cheaper cost. I've also been told that unless im playing 2 games, editing videos, watching 2 movies and having sex with 4 girls at once I really don't need the i7's. I chosse to get the 6 core, cheaper, amd.

As far as the CPU cooler goes. From the reviews I've read and videos I've seen not only friends who have it. Say its one of the best things they have ever bought. Again, probably another case of what someone perfers.

For the RAM, I don't need 8 gigs haha. I prolly don't even need 6. It's cheaper because it's slower. I would have have the 4gigs thats faster and is made specifically for my CPU.

As far as the motherboard goes yes I do agree with you on that. But from everything I saw the only thing that is better is the OBS. Which is important to me. It may be more expensive but I am also getting a much better quality OBS.

I'm starting to understand that I could ask 10 people about this and I would get 10 different minor changes to the build haha. I am super excited about this build and I certainly thank you for your input. I really enjoy debating which parts are the best and so on and so forth. I may be new to this but I love learning what different people think.
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You could ask 10 people, and 9 would give from their experieince of very few parts, the other will show evidence that the parts they suggested are much better than the parts someone else found to be good, and most others in the range.

1 part at a time:

CPU

the 950 is more expensive, but is a better CPU. What you said about it is actually what should be said about the 1100T. The extra core makes it better at multi-tasking (in theory). That means, unless you are playing 2 games, editing videos, watching 2 movies and having sex with 4 girls at once, you don't need the extra 2 cores, you will get the same performance from a 955 which, if you look, is a hell of a lot cheaper, but is also outperformed by the 950 as well.

Also, going with the 950 will give you triple channel memory, which will improve the performance even further because of greater bandwidth.

To show what I mean:

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_phenom_ii_x6_1100t_be_review/7

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...review-vs-intel-core-i7-950-introduction.html

CPU cooler

You pay $110 for the H70, or $60 for the V6. Performance is either similar, or better from the V6, with a few circumstances where the H70 beats the V6, almost always during the system being idle and at stock clocks. Again, to show what I mean:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1352/6/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CoolerMaster/V6GT/5.html

Memory

Although you may not need 8GB of memory because no program uses that much, it is faster than 4GB, even though the 4GB you posted is higher frequency. The reason, usually, is because of how the system works.

Memory is a hell of a lot faster than a conventional hard drive, and it is also directly accessible by the CPU, where as the hard drive is not. This means data in memory will be much faster than data on the hard drive. When memory reaches capacity, or begins to get full, the system will do what is called paging, where it moves data that has not been used for a long time (in computer time) into a reserved section of secondary storage (ie your hard drive). This takes time to move data to and from memory, and to read it off the much slower hard drive.

With more memory, more data can be held before the system feels the need for paging data. Paging will still occur, but not the same extent, so even though individually, each stick of memory is slower, in reality, having 8GB of slower memory rather than 4GB of faster memory is advantageous.

Motherboard

To compare the Asus and the Gigabyte board (you can change the Gigabyte for ASRock, the same is true for both):

CPU - same CPU support, Athlon II, Phenom II, Sempron

Memory - 16GB total, Asus up to 2000MHz, Gigabyte up to 1866MHz.

I am going to make a point of saying, if you put 1866MHz in either, or 2000MHz in the Asus, you can only use 2 of the 4 slots. You can't use 4 sticks of 2000MHz memory, so by getting "faster" memory, you can only have 8GB of memory maximum, NOT 16

Expansion slots - Gigabyte is better. Same PCIe x16 - 4 slots, 2 @x16, 1@x4, 1@x8 on both

but, the gigabyte has 2 x PCIe x1 + 1 PCI,
the Asus has 2 PCI.

SATA slots - Gigabyte better, it has 1 extra SATA 3 port

Sound - Both ~the same, as per usual, onboard is ok but not going to be as good as a dedicated sound card

I/O ports - Gigabyte better.

2 USB 3.0 on each
7 USB 2.0 on Asus, 6USB 2.0 on Gigabyte
1 eSATA on Asus, 2 eSATA/USB on Gigabyte
1 Firewire on Asus, 2 Firewire on Gigabyte

Same form factor, same onboard USB, same onboard firewire, same warranty, but Gigabyte is cheaper.

What should be said about warranty though is generally, from experience and other's experience, Gigabyte warranty service is much better than Asus. You pay extra for Asus because of the marketing bull, not because you are getting a better board.

With all due respect, if you take your friend's advice, you will have a good system, if you take the advice of those of us on here, you will get the better system, and the best for your money.

Your friend may have built a computer, that doesn't mean that he knows about current technology and how the parts stack up against each other, and in the army, they don't spend all of their time building systems. Part time I build systems, and although it is more of a hobby that I earn a little on the side for, I do more building in that time than your army friend would. A lot of the regulars on here will look through threads such as yours on a daily basis, so we know what we are talking about.

I come on here to help and to discuss computers because they are my main hobby and I love to work with them, not for recognition or anything else, and I've put this much time in to try and show you that the system you put together has a lot of wasted parts, and a lot of you buying into marketing crap because higher numbers, higher prices and fancy names must equal better, when it really does not
 
jkjambo said:
1366 already Dead socket . wait for B3 stepping LGA 1155 motherboards and buy sandy bridge
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It isn't bleeding edge, no, but it is still a hell of a socket. I would agree, wait for Sandy Bridge, but for what is available right now, 1366 would be the way to go for the budget.

And it isn't a dead socket if you go in with a 950, you can go up to a 970 or 980x when prices fall, and even if you stay with a 950, that will be lasting you fine for a good few years. Even now most games and apps don't tax it to the point that it is a bottleneck, and it will be a long time before we see that.

It isn't like going to 775, that is a truly dead socket, 1366 is not, even though there aren't any new CPU's planned for it. If you always wait for "the next things", you will never have a computer because technology moves so fast
 
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