VpS_Serenity
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Maybe it's not up to date (about a year old), but if even a game like Diablo 2 lags with lots of units, then there's something totally wrong.
Lots of units causes lag
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Maybe it's not up to date (about a year old), but if even a game like Diablo 2 lags with lots of units, then there's something totally wrong.
Okedokey
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Not really mate, its a $100 CPU at new, low IPC, slow core, and only 2 cores (in most games) will be usable. Its simply not powerful enough to prevent the 'lowest' FPS spikes which make the game at times unplayable. It may average 40FPS but if it drops to 8FPS for a few seconds everytime it needs to call a new texture or physics routine of the hdd, its not good enough.
The good news is that you can overclock that CPU to around 4GHz with the right cooling, but to be honest, its the weakest link in your machine by far and you may get better results by putting in the best chip that your board accepts.
But the best way to test it is to ensure you have defragd your hard drive (to remove some of that lag), use readyboost where you don't have an SSD, and overclock your CPU, start at 3.0GHz and test from there. Watch the temps.
The good news is that you can overclock that CPU to around 4GHz with the right cooling, but to be honest, its the weakest link in your machine by far and you may get better results by putting in the best chip that your board accepts.
But the best way to test it is to ensure you have defragd your hard drive (to remove some of that lag), use readyboost where you don't have an SSD, and overclock your CPU, start at 3.0GHz and test from there. Watch the temps.
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VpS_Serenity
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I doubled the Virtual Memory if that's what you mean by readyboost.
Again, i have absolutely no experience with overclocking, and i probably don't have any special cooling system designed for overclocking. Also i'm not aware of which software are recommended for overclocking the CPU, but I could give it a shot if you could tell me the softwares and which temperature the CPU may not exceed.
Oh, and I have a mate with less CPU GHz than me, and he runs the games smoothly even with higher amounts of monsters, which doesn't make any sense to me of what you're telling about the CPU speed for games.
Again, i have absolutely no experience with overclocking, and i probably don't have any special cooling system designed for overclocking. Also i'm not aware of which software are recommended for overclocking the CPU, but I could give it a shot if you could tell me the softwares and which temperature the CPU may not exceed.
Oh, and I have a mate with less CPU GHz than me, and he runs the games smoothly even with higher amounts of monsters, which doesn't make any sense to me of what you're telling about the CPU speed for games.
wolfeking
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for overclocking you want to do it through the BIOS, not with a program.
And your mate, he may have a different CPU than you. Put it like this, its not all about the GHz speed. For example, a Pentium 3 @ 1.3 GHz would do less than a single core Celeron (SB) at 1GHz even though it is faster clocked. It has more to do with the architecture than the speed.
And your mate, he may have a different CPU than you. Put it like this, its not all about the GHz speed. For example, a Pentium 3 @ 1.3 GHz would do less than a single core Celeron (SB) at 1GHz even though it is faster clocked. It has more to do with the architecture than the speed.
VpS_Serenity
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I just thought there might be some services or programs that could clear up some of the used speed or something to improve the performance.
Why do people talk so much about overclocking software when you recommend doing it through the BIOS?
I've done some research on new CPU which i might consider buying, and I want to know your opinions on those:
- Intel Core i5-2500K / 3.3 GHz (about $260)
- AMD Athlon II X4 645 3.1 GHz 95W AM3 (about $140)
- AMD Phenom II X4 3.4 GHz Black edition 125W (about $131)
Why do people talk so much about overclocking software when you recommend doing it through the BIOS?
I've done some research on new CPU which i might consider buying, and I want to know your opinions on those:
- Intel Core i5-2500K / 3.3 GHz (about $260)
- AMD Athlon II X4 645 3.1 GHz 95W AM3 (about $140)
- AMD Phenom II X4 3.4 GHz Black edition 125W (about $131)
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VpS_Serenity
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I thought I posted it already, but that was in another thread, here it is.
Motherboard: NVIDIA nForce 720a
Motherboard: NVIDIA nForce 720a
VpS_Serenity
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I'll do it later today when i get home on my stationary
Hyper-Threaded
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Diablo 2 system requirements are like 16mb ram and pentuim 233mhz prossesor it may be somethin else if hes lagging on this.
VpS_Serenity
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Yea, this part confused me as well when i experienced lag in Diablo 2 :/.. Can't believe the processor isn't good enough to play Diablo 2 O_O
VpS_Serenity
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Here you go:
Mainboard : PEGATRON CORPORATION VIOLET6
Chipset : nVidia nForce 720a
Processor : AMD Athlon II X4 630 @ 2800MHz
Physical Memory : 6144MB (3 x 2048 DDR3-SDRAM )
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
Hard Disk : Seagate ST310005 20AS SCSI Disk Device (1000GB)
Hard Disk : Western Digital WD10 EARS-00Y5B1 SCSI Disk Device (1000GB)
CD-Rom Drive : DCVGLG L2BOP2R SCSI CdRom Device
CD-Rom Drive : hp CDDVDW TS-H653R SCSI CdRom Device
Monitor Type : CMC 17" AD - 17 inches
Network Card : Nvidia MCP77 Ethernet
Operating System : Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center 6.01.7601 Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
DirectX : Version 11.00
Windows Performance Index : 5.9 on 7.9
Some games are just bad implemented. For example, i made a simple platformer game that lagged. Here's why:
Your graphic processor, processes images. that means to shade pixels if needed, or bighten them up. I wanted to implement a lighting system, so i had to brighten/dim the pixels. That meant, that i processed the image once to cast the lighting in the room. After that, for each object in the room, i calculated the shadow trajectory. Now for some math calculations.
The game ran on 60 fps. Each frame, i processed the image once for the light, and then once for each object in the room. If i had 10 objects in the room, that meant 10 + 1 image processing.
60 fps times 11 = 660 image processings per second.
The graphic processor alows you max. 64 arithmetic instructions per pixel. I used about 60.
An image has 1024 x 800 = 819200 pixels.
819200 pixels times 60 arithmetic instructions for each = 49 152 000 arithmetic calculations per image.
Now remember i had 660 image procecessed per second, that means i used 32 440 320 000 arithmetic instructions per second. 32.5 billion arithmetic calculations per second is very much even for your awesome pc!. And remember that those were purely for the lighting system! . Your pc has to calculate also the rest of the game...
Also, when it comes to mmo, there's a whole lot of data to download, about many many players. Maybe your bandwidth is not big enough
Your graphic processor, processes images. that means to shade pixels if needed, or bighten them up. I wanted to implement a lighting system, so i had to brighten/dim the pixels. That meant, that i processed the image once to cast the lighting in the room. After that, for each object in the room, i calculated the shadow trajectory. Now for some math calculations.
The game ran on 60 fps. Each frame, i processed the image once for the light, and then once for each object in the room. If i had 10 objects in the room, that meant 10 + 1 image processing.
60 fps times 11 = 660 image processings per second.
The graphic processor alows you max. 64 arithmetic instructions per pixel. I used about 60.
An image has 1024 x 800 = 819200 pixels.
819200 pixels times 60 arithmetic instructions for each = 49 152 000 arithmetic calculations per image.
Now remember i had 660 image procecessed per second, that means i used 32 440 320 000 arithmetic instructions per second. 32.5 billion arithmetic calculations per second is very much even for your awesome pc!. And remember that those were purely for the lighting system! . Your pc has to calculate also the rest of the game...
Also, when it comes to mmo, there's a whole lot of data to download, about many many players. Maybe your bandwidth is not big enough
VpS_Serenity
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My bandwidth is 30/30, should be more than enough. Diablo 2 on old computers run flawlessly, so why would a much better computer run it worse than an old computer? Again with warcraft 3, some play it with lots of objects flawlessly without having a super computer, while it turns into huge lag for me. It can even manage to hit 0 fps sometimes, that's not very cool.
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Yeah, theres something else going on, if it lagging on Diablo 2 .
VpS_Serenity
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It kinda stopped lagging in Diablo 2, I'm not experiencing it anymore, but lots of objects in Warcraft 3 is still causing problems, you sure it's windows?
Okedokey
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No im not mate, because to be honest, you haven't really done anything we have suggested. So until you post your specs with PC Wizard, and remove any other variables (e.g. Windows, drivers, Direct X etc), its looking very much like a CPU bottleneck to me.
*edit, my apologies, I have just seen your previous post.
Im looking into it now.
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Okedokey
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Ok, Im now convinced its a CPU bottleneck.
The smaller the resolution the higher strain is put on the CPU, a fact many don't realise.
At 17" with a 570, your CPU simply cannot handle the texture calls.
As suggested several times before:
* Use a thumbdrive to enable ready boost (8GB drive would be ideal)
* Overclock CPU
Test with 3DMark06 as you make changes.
Or, reinstall windows. You don't have any other options, so start systematically experimenting, starting with the operating system, fresh drivers, reinstall of game, patches, DirectX update and latest motherboard BIOS.
Then ensure you have the correct settings in the game.
Then test again.
The smaller the resolution the higher strain is put on the CPU, a fact many don't realise.
At 17" with a 570, your CPU simply cannot handle the texture calls.
As suggested several times before:
* Use a thumbdrive to enable ready boost (8GB drive would be ideal)
* Overclock CPU
Test with 3DMark06 as you make changes.
Or, reinstall windows. You don't have any other options, so start systematically experimenting, starting with the operating system, fresh drivers, reinstall of game, patches, DirectX update and latest motherboard BIOS.
Then ensure you have the correct settings in the game.
Then test again.
SuperDuperMe
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Had a quick read through and saw you updated your graphic drivers.
Did you reinstall over your old ones? Or completely remove them?
I personally use driver sweeper when doing mine but some people say its pointless. That said you should still at least uninstall rather than install the new ones over the top as it can cause problems.
Did you reinstall over your old ones? Or completely remove them?
I personally use driver sweeper when doing mine but some people say its pointless. That said you should still at least uninstall rather than install the new ones over the top as it can cause problems.