Will Interface: DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra), run on my system [I need IDE]?

Captain Kirk

Captain Kirk

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Hi folks;)

The systems that I am running:

Dell Latitude D610
Compaq Evo N610c

If I get a new hd, I need one that has the RAW ide pins available, not a SATA or some peice of plastic over the pins that cannot be removed to expose the pins underneath. Reason: If I switch the hd between my two different model computers, I need to be able to plug in the RAW ide pins to the plastic interface connector that fits onto the pins "before" you put the hd into the laptop.

will a Interface: DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra), run on either of these computer systems, or have RAW ide pins exposed?:o
 
for the D610 you should not need an adapter. just any PATA (IDE) 2.5 inch drive. It must be a 2.5 inch drive or it will not work. There is a difference between the 44 pin of laptops and the 40 pin of desktops. But any IDE 2.5 should work.
 
Wolfeking,
Glad to make your acquaintance.
How are you?

I currently am running a 2.5" hd on the D610, and actually, I DO need a 7 pin adapter, but you can take this off, exposing the RAW ide pins beneath.

I am confused by your statement:
So by, "Any IDE 2.5 should work", does this ALSO include the DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra)?

Captain Kirk
 
Just to point out something. On laptops especially ones that has the old IDE connection, most had a special adapter that had to be used to make the connection between hdd and laptop port. There were/are still some sata laptops that require this adapter as well.
 
Well, I know the 620s at school and teh 630 i have don't need an adapter so I assumed the 610 did not either. It don't make since to need one as they are supposed to be IT friendly.

As for it, yes. ANY 44 PIN DRIVE WILL WORK. that includes ATA100, ATA 66, and ATA 33.

And as for most. Unless I have been lucky, I don't think that is right. I know for sure that the Futijsu Lifebook C2220 does not need an adapter, nor the R52 thinkpad, the A20m thinkpad, and Several HP laptops that dad had over the years were adapterless too. Might be because they were all business machines though.
 
maybe, but I know there were quite a few laptops I've worked on over the years that needed that adapter.
 
Wolfeking,
Just to point something out, BOTH of my laptops require an adapter. Each laptop is a different model. My other computer is a Compaq Evo. It does not have a 7 pin adapter, but case and steel cage around it like the frame of a car. What it looks like on the other side of the ide pins at this point is the exact oposite of the Dell's adapter. It has a female connector. The 7 pin adapter is a male connector.

Thanx for helping me solving this one Wolfeking, I don't want to get the wrong hd for my upgrade: I have already gotten 3 wrong types of RAM and I have to take another one back tomorrow. I hope I can find the right one next time. This is a difficult process -- trying to get the right hardware and all, even if you think you matched everything up.....

Johnb35,
I never heard that about the SATA drives. Facinating. You'd think that since the SATA drives are so new that they wouldn't have even needed an adapter!!

Captain Kirk
 
I just now heard about EIDE.
As far as I knew there was only IDE.
But just recently, I heard that there are now 2 types of hd's: SATA
And then again, now I see there are 3!!!
My gosh, how many different types of hardware are they going to keep coming out with?
Why not just stick to the same one [IDE]? It would make things a whole lot easier!!!!!!!

The Interface is DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra), but it says that it has an EIDE connection.

Is the EIDE physically the same as IDE?

Do they look exactly the same?

Is there a plastic peice around the EIDE so that I might not be able to put a 7 pin adapter on it, or the other one?

Captain Kirk
 
wiki said:
EIDE and ATA-2
In 1994, about the same time that the ATA-1 standard was adopted, Western Digital introduced drives under a newer name, Enhanced IDE (EIDE). These included most of the features of the forthcoming ATA-2 specification and several additional enhancements. Other manufacturers introduced their own variations of ATA-1 such as "Fast ATA" and "Fast ATA-2".
The new version of the ANSI standard, AT Attachment Interface with Extensions ATA-2 (X3.279-1996), was approved in 1996. It included most of the features of the manufacturer-specific variants.[12][13]
ATA-2 also was the first to note that devices other than hard drives could be attached to the interface:
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It is just ata 100. You still need to make sure that it is a 2.5 inch drive.

take a read over this article before you come back with more questions please
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
 
Wolfeking,

Okay so IDE and EIDE are physically and exactly the same in every way right?

Here is a more appropriate question for you concerning this compatibility issue:
Does dell latitude D610 motherboard have EIDE support?

Captain Kirk
 
yes. EIDE was essentially IDE2. It was in use by everyone before SATA was released. the Latitude D620 was SATA 1.5Gb, and the D630 is SATA 3Gb. Yours is EIDE for sure. you would have to go back to 2000 or so to find one that would be questionable EIDE support.
 
Just to add to the post, you can take the adapter off the old drive and put it on the new drive.
 
Wolfeking,
Hello.

So since the HP Compaq Evo N610c [this is my other system] was made after 2000 [it is a P4, 2 Gig], then I am assuming that its motherboard also has EIDE support?

voyagerfan99,
That's what I plan to do.

Captain Kirk
 
Any IDE drive will work with any IDE interface. You don't need to worry about EIDE support.
 
Wolfeking,
Howdy.

Looks like you've solved this thread/question. I appreciate it. Talk to you next time.

voyagerfan99,
How you doing, good to see you again?

What I meant by EIDE support, I was not referring to the "physical connections"!
I was asking about the MOTHERBOARD
Because if your motherboard does not have EIDE support, then you have to get a card for it.
So if its a laptop, I guess that would be a PCI card?

But what I don't know is what will happen if I don't have EIDE support.
1> Either the laptop will not run the hd at all
2> The hd will run at the normal speed, and not at the rate of the enhanced performance

Captain Kirk
 
false! If it does not have EIDE support then all that happens is you loose the extra features of EIDE. It will just run like a ATA66 or ATA100 drive.

ATA works just like SATA. You can use a SATA 1 drive in a SATA 3 port, but it will still only be SATA 1. You can use SATA 3 in a SATA 1 port, but it will only be SATA 1. Does it make sense?
 
wolfeking said:
false! If it does not have EIDE support then all that happens is you loose the extra features of EIDE. It will just run like a ATA66 or ATA100 drive.

ATA works just like SATA. You can use a SATA 1 drive in a SATA 3 port, but it will still only be SATA 1. You can use SATA 3 in a SATA 1 port, but it will only be SATA 1. Does it make sense?
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Bingo. Wolfe got it right on the nose :good:
 
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