AntimatterAsh
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Windows 7 definitely.
Is Windows 8 an improvement over Windows 7 - Update
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Aastii
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I love 8 on my laptop, however I feel I would hate it on my desktop.
It boots as fast on my 5400RPM HDD laptop as my 2 SSD's in RAID0 do on my desktop running 7. Everything is very fast and snappy, as in I am yet to see a single instance of lag at all, every app loads extremely quickly and in my opinion, metro looks much prettier than aero on 7.
So far as "there is no <insert app name here>", come on, we are on PC's here and we are all fairly avid computer users, if you have not worked out by now that there is an alternative to everything, you haven't been using your computer properly. I don't care that there is no all-in-one media program or that the video and music apps load slow, much like WMP on every other iteration of the Windows OS, I don't use it. I have MPC for videos and Winamp for music, both of which are fully supported.
There have been some incompatibilities, most notably Steam for me, however this has since been fixed, much like pretty much every other program that has had incompatibilities, it either has or will be shortly fixed.
The lack of start menu, at first this was a game breaker for me, however I have since got used to it and do not mind. When you have it set up to boot to the desktop rather than the start screen and you have everything you need either on the desktop or quick launch, it becomes like XP, Vista or 7 - You only use the start menu for niche things. Even for things used fairly regularly, like cmd or control panel, I always open those through run, and Start + R has not changed
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Just like Vista, I think 8 is getting far too much unjust criticism, it is an excellent OS, at least for a "general" computer. For a more specialised machine, like your gaming rig's or workstations, I still think 7 wins out there
It boots as fast on my 5400RPM HDD laptop as my 2 SSD's in RAID0 do on my desktop running 7. Everything is very fast and snappy, as in I am yet to see a single instance of lag at all, every app loads extremely quickly and in my opinion, metro looks much prettier than aero on 7.
So far as "there is no <insert app name here>", come on, we are on PC's here and we are all fairly avid computer users, if you have not worked out by now that there is an alternative to everything, you haven't been using your computer properly. I don't care that there is no all-in-one media program or that the video and music apps load slow, much like WMP on every other iteration of the Windows OS, I don't use it. I have MPC for videos and Winamp for music, both of which are fully supported.
There have been some incompatibilities, most notably Steam for me, however this has since been fixed, much like pretty much every other program that has had incompatibilities, it either has or will be shortly fixed.
The lack of start menu, at first this was a game breaker for me, however I have since got used to it and do not mind. When you have it set up to boot to the desktop rather than the start screen and you have everything you need either on the desktop or quick launch, it becomes like XP, Vista or 7 - You only use the start menu for niche things. Even for things used fairly regularly, like cmd or control panel, I always open those through run, and Start + R has not changed
.Just like Vista, I think 8 is getting far too much unjust criticism, it is an excellent OS, at least for a "general" computer. For a more specialised machine, like your gaming rig's or workstations, I still think 7 wins out there
lucasbytegenius
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I recently tried using my upgrade media again.
Well, things went as badly as when I first bought the damn thing. First, I couldn't upgrade for crap. Always would terminate in an error you couldn't find a solution for on Google. So I had to do a clean install.
And that's where the rest of the problems started. Couldn't install .NET 3, always would say it couldn't connect to the damn Internet. Then, it always either failed installing Windows updates, or would just sit there, stuck, trying to download them and never doing it.
I've tried everything I know to do and what I could find on Google to fix these issues, and haven't had any luck.
So Windows 8 is definitely terrible for me right now, and I'm going back to Windows 7. For the record, I liked all the new stuff in 8, I had no issues with the changes and improvements, it's just the problems with the core OS itself I'm having issues with.
Well, things went as badly as when I first bought the damn thing. First, I couldn't upgrade for crap. Always would terminate in an error you couldn't find a solution for on Google. So I had to do a clean install.
And that's where the rest of the problems started. Couldn't install .NET 3, always would say it couldn't connect to the damn Internet. Then, it always either failed installing Windows updates, or would just sit there, stuck, trying to download them and never doing it.
I've tried everything I know to do and what I could find on Google to fix these issues, and haven't had any luck.
So Windows 8 is definitely terrible for me right now, and I'm going back to Windows 7. For the record, I liked all the new stuff in 8, I had no issues with the changes and improvements, it's just the problems with the core OS itself I'm having issues with.
The biggest problem I've got with 8 right now is AMD graphics drivers. AMD drivers and Photoshop Lightroom on Windows 8 aren't playing nice. I keep getting screen flickering unless I disable GPU acceleration and if I do that rendering stuff is slow.
AntimatterAsh
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I would and am still preferring Vista to 8. Had the option today to upgrade one of my PCs running vista to 7 today, but just reinstalled vista, and it is running like a dream on MWB.
DMGrier
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This was Microsoft first attempt to the easier desktop, notice how know one talks about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edlE4Yvv5-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edlE4Yvv5-s
2048Megabytes
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I do not want Windows 8 with the kill switch that has been put into the operating system. Microsoft is able to deactivate your operating system with this feature so it does not work from what I have read.
In my opinion Microsoft is moving toward looking over your shoulder with the monitoring they are starting to do. If anyone has Windows 7 I would also recommend they remove the update KB971033 and Microsoft Security Essentials from your system. Microsoft can monitor your operating system with this software.
They deactivated one of my Windows 7 keys with this update and Microsoft Security Essentials just because I cloned my hard drive several times on the same computer.
In my opinion Microsoft is moving toward looking over your shoulder with the monitoring they are starting to do. If anyone has Windows 7 I would also recommend they remove the update KB971033 and Microsoft Security Essentials from your system. Microsoft can monitor your operating system with this software.
They deactivated one of my Windows 7 keys with this update and Microsoft Security Essentials just because I cloned my hard drive several times on the same computer.
lucasbytegenius
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This "kill switch" has been part of Windows since I believe Windows 2000, so for the past 14-15 years this has been in place. It's definitely not a new thing in Windows 8.
I definitely hide the update that checks to make sure your Windows copy is valid but MSE has always worked fine for me, no issues there.
wolfeking
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The kill switch is part of WGA, and it was introduced with windows XP. Before that, the key was never actually transmitted to M$ for activation, which is why it is so easy to get FAT based windows to install (see other places for the strait 0 or strait 1 key).
Myself, I feel that windows 8 is a decent improvement, as long as you leave it alone. It is far too easy to kill the system though. At least with 7 I never managed to kill the ability to boot (not even safe mode would boot up) by simply changing a setting in CCC (which took far too long to be released for HD4K and still does not work properly under W8).
I guess it would be decent if you had newer hardware, but I personally don't see the need to spend $100 on the OS and then $200+ on a GPU and $130 on a board, just to make it run W8 proper.
Myself, I feel that windows 8 is a decent improvement, as long as you leave it alone. It is far too easy to kill the system though. At least with 7 I never managed to kill the ability to boot (not even safe mode would boot up) by simply changing a setting in CCC (which took far too long to be released for HD4K and still does not work properly under W8).
I guess it would be decent if you had newer hardware, but I personally don't see the need to spend $100 on the OS and then $200+ on a GPU and $130 on a board, just to make it run W8 proper.
lucasbytegenius
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That's not a hardware problem, that's a driver problem. I had an issue with ATI drivers where if CCC was enabled to launch at startup the system would spontaneously reboot, and that happened on both Windows 7 and 8.The kill switch is part of WGA, and it was introduced with windows XP. Before that, the key was never actually transmitted to M$ for activation, which is why it is so easy to get FAT based windows to install (see other places for the strait 0 or strait 1 key).
Myself, I feel that windows 8 is a decent improvement, as long as you leave it alone. It is far too easy to kill the system though. At least with 7 I never managed to kill the ability to boot (not even safe mode would boot up) by simply changing a setting in CCC (which took far too long to be released for HD4K and still does not work properly under W8).
I guess it would be decent if you had newer hardware, but I personally don't see the need to spend $100 on the OS and then $200+ on a GPU and $130 on a board, just to make it run W8 proper.