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TruckingCody

TruckingCody

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So i'm building a new awesome PC. Few questions.

Im going to water cool it with hoses leading to a car radiator outside with a huge fan outside. (quiet inside) Can the mobo be water cooled enough that it needs no air going over it? I plan to cool hard drives, ram, cpu, gpu's...what else? Who makes a water cooled PSU? Can the system really have no fans?

I'd also like to 3d print a custom case built into my desk. Transparent of course.

Lastly, I'm looking at 4k 3d monitors. They are expensive...and i need 3. Are all 120hrz monitors compatible with 3d? Also all of um are 3840 X 2160. Does anyone sell a true 4k monitor with 4096 x 2160? Lastly, can you sli with 3 monitors or are new cards still limited to 2 with sli? on my current gfx, im limited to 2, but im wondering if that changes with the newer cards.

Thanks
 
the mobo regardless should be fine depending on how far you push the overclock. I'd just monitor its temps and see if you require a side fan although i doubt it.

The car radiator would work but would also require a pump/s adequate of pushing the fluid around the radiator or though it is quite overkill.

4k monitors will be fine although i think they all are just 3840x2160. It depends on what you want them for. You wont be able to game on 3x 4k 120hz monitors on high end games anyway (battlefield, cysis etc). It would require a stupid amount of GPU power and vram like 3-4x titan z GPU's. with lower end games then yes.
 
tylerjrb said:
the mobo regardless should be fine depending on how far you push the overclock. I'd just monitor its temps and see if you require a side fan although i doubt it.

The car radiator would work but would also require a pump/s adequate of pushing the fluid around the radiator or though it is quite overkill.

4k monitors will be fine although i think they all are just 3840x2160. It depends on what you want them for. You wont be able to game on 3x 4k 120hz monitors on high end games anyway (battlefield, cysis etc). It would require a stupid amount of GPU power and vram like 3-4x titan z GPU's. with lower end games then yes.
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Thanks, I was thinking duel gtx980's for the gfx. Id go with more, but my research has shows that going with 3 or 4 gets buggy in some games. Also, most mobo will drop 3 and 4 to 8x not 16x. I do play a lot of flight simulator which would be awesome in 4k 3d.

As for water pumps, i was gonna use 2 motor home water pumps. They can handle 5gpm. I was gonna use 2 for redundancy.
Does anyone know if i can go triple monitor in SLI?
 
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You would need something like an i7 5930K and an X99 board with three way SLI.

That puts a stupid amount of stress on the GPU, I recommend three 8 gig r9 290xs
 
ninjabubbles3 said:
I recommend three 8 gig r9 290xs
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Games wouldn't utilize this much VRAM, but it'd probably stress them all for the output.

2 GTX 980's would only power a strong 4K screen or three 1440p screens.

TO ANSWER ABOUT THE TRUE 4K there's a difference between 4K and UHD. Ultra HD is 4x 1080p and 4K is 4096px blah blah blah.

In my opinion it wouldn't be necessary to run triple 4K and I'm not even sure it's been done. 1440p is a different story and it'll stay smooth with the R9 290's and GTX 980's if they're SLI/CFX'd

Idk. My 2¢ is here. Bump...?
 
ninjabubbles3 said:
You would need something like an i7 5930K and an X99 board with three way SLI.

That puts a stupid amount of stress on the GPU, I recommend three 8 gig r9 290xs
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i dont do radion....plus, 3 cards glitches in some games.
3 290x is about 20,577 on passmark
2 980 is about 19,416 on passmark

The 980's are almost as power full on 2 cards as the 290x is on 3. We all know you never get full power out of the 3rd and 4th card, so really, the 980 is still more powerful.

As for CPU, Im gonna go with the best. I7 5960x. Its a true 8 core processor with hyper threading meaning it an do 16 things at once.

CPU and GPU may change based on when the order gets made. if a new cpu comes out thats better, i'll buy it.
 
ninjabubbles3 said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWgQmpzdqpc

And has only using 1440p screens, with 4K its a whole different story
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He is running super wide screens so his set up is 14.86 million.

4k would only be 22.25 million, it more but not tons more.

Also, i still maintain that dual 980 has more power then tri 290x. A lot of games really cant take full advantage of the 3rd card. At the very least, your not getting the full power of the 3rd card. Since it is rated at far less then then 980 anyway, he cant stand up to dual 980. If I was going to go tri, (3) 980's definitely beat 3 290x.
 
TruckingCody said:
He is running super wide screens so his set up is 14.86 million.

4k would only be 22.25 million, it more but not tons more.

Also, i still maintain that dual 980 has more power then tri 290x. A lot of games really cant take full advantage of the 3rd card. At the very least, your not getting the full power of the 3rd card. Since it is rated at far less then then 980 anyway, he cant stand up to dual 980. If I was going to go tri, (3) 980's definitely beat 3 290x.
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Suit yourself, but for 3d 4k, even his three cards cant handle huge games on high settings.

You are running more resolution, with less cards, and less VRAM.

AMD Mantle games work very good with three screens, if you play those.
 
Sounds like a lot of blown cash to me given your profession.

Per your original questions:

1) No
2) Good luck
3) It's a waste of time/money at this point as both the refresh is too low and the displays are prohibitively expensive.

it more but not tons more.
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That's nearly a 50% jump...
 
it would be very hard to do 3 x 4k monitors you would need 4 titans Z or 4 r9 295x2... if the 8gb on the r9 295x2 is enough. or wait for the titan II coming in a year or so.

It is possible to use a car radiator like i said in the first post although its a lot of hassle and a normal 360-480mm radiator(with quiet fans) would do the job fine.

its a lot of money, stupid amount of money. $4500 for the gpu's alone not to mention the $1000 5960x, $500 ddr4 RAM (16gb) and $300 for a mobo and $300 for a psu and $1500+ for 3x 4k monitors.

2x 980's wont work, mine can run 1 4k screen only so you would need the equivalent of 6x gtx 980's to run 3 screens.
 
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beers said:
Sounds like a lot of blown cash to me given your profession.
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What do you know about my profession? Do you think all truckers make less then 6 figures? That kind of talk is quite disrespectful to the guy who makes sure you get everything you need, including the metal products that are in your computer.

And why is having a kick ass computer a waste? You may not choose to spend spare money on that, but thats your choice. You can't call me an idiot because I choose to have a bad ass computer.
 
tylerjrb said:
it would be very hard to do 3 x 4k monitors you would need 4 titans Z or 4 r9 295x2... if the 8gb on the r9 295x2 is enough. or wait for the titan II coming in a year or so.

It is possible to use a car radiator like i said in the first post although its a lot of hassle and a normal 360-480mm radiator(with quiet fans) would do the job fine.

its a lot of money, stupid amount of money. $4500 for the gpu's alone not to mention the $1000 5960x, $500 ddr4 RAM (16gb) and $300 for a mobo and $300 for a psu and $1500+ for 3x 4k monitors.

2x 980's wont work, mine can run 1 4k screen only so you would need the equivalent of 6x gtx 980's to run 3 screens.
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What frame rates do you get? Do you have 2? Don't forget, many games dont require as much horse power to render the side screens since there is not as much happening. I also would not always game with all 3 on, but i certainly would video edit with all 3. Run my business on all 3. Watch movies on one while working/ gaming on other 2. (movies, even full 4k, are easy on a gfx)

According to passmark

titan z is 7,861
r9 295x2 is 7,140
980 is 9,708

I dont mind buying extra video cards, but I've seen funky things happen when you go over 2. I'll have to find a mobo that can support 4 correctly. So, the 980 clearly has the most hourse power, but is lacking with only 4gb or ram. The Titan z is a good choice at a whopping 12GB of ram. I mean, that is huge. 3 times as much as the 980. The r9 295x2 has less horse power then then either card and less memory then then titan z. Im leaning towrds 3 or 4 Titan z at the moment, but need to find a mobo that can handle it. All the mobo's i've seen drop to 8x on the 3rd card when more then 2 are in use.

Case will be pretty cheap to 3d print, just time consuming.
 
TruckingCody said:
What do you know about my profession? Do you think all truckers make less then 6 figures? That kind of talk is quite disrespectful to the guy who makes sure you get everything you need, including the metal products that are in your computer.

And why is having a kick ass computer a waste? You may not choose to spend spare money on that, but thats your choice. You can't call me an idiot because I choose to have a bad ass computer.
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Don't get so worked up about what he said. I think he's saying more along the lines of you're building an absolutely insane machine with power well beyond what you would use. Now if you were in a field that needed super high end computing for something that would make more sense, but you won't be using this for work related stuff (at least not something that would need the power you're wanting). He's not remarking on how much you earn or your profession in general, just that your machine has a lot of extra power for no discernible reason except to have the best, which is fine, just a waste of money for something you don't really need.

And there's a difference between spending money on something that's good versus outright wasting it for something that you either 1. Won't use the performance of, or 2. Spending a LOT of extra money for very small marginal gains in performance.

I don't know a whole lot about super high end hardware so I can't comment on that, but I will say you can spend probably half of what you're looking at and have a still very powerful and capable machine, for a lot less money.

But hey, it's your money, you spend/waste however much of it you want.
 
The given your profession part is what I felt was disrespectful.

Lol, some guys spend 200,000 on a Lamborghini. That certainly doesn't help them with work and is quite impractical. In fact finding a safe place to park it is almost impossible since it cant even make it int most parking garages.

So, 200k on a Lambo or 10k on a computer I use everyday. I'd rather the 10K on the computer.

4k monitors help with work. I need a fast computer with fast drives for work to. The only overly crazy part about this build that i wont always use is the GFX. The water cooling will mostly be sweat equity, and totally worth it since i hate noise. (even silent fans arnt silent). The parts for DYI water cooling arnt to expensive. And the 3d printed case...thats just the cost of plastic and my time. That will make it look bad ass
 
Overreact much..

What are you doing that needs 16 threads vs. something like 12, as an example? Is it really worth X extra dollars for zero performance difference for your specific usage pattern? Also keep in mind things like HDMI 2.0 are limited to 60Hz at 4k (so you would get effectively 30Hz using 3D), therefore gaming on that setup would be sucky.

You can't call me an idiot
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I don't expressly recall stating that. There's a difference between having no idea what you're doing (as in this case), and actively being stupid. You hadn't really crossed over that border yet when I posted previously.
 
yeah the car radiator is possible so long as the compression fittings, pump head can take the pressure. and that the pump you use wont burst pipes etc. I hate people saying "NO" because you can make it work no problem.

The case itself can be 3d printed just making sure everything has as much space as possible for airflow and heat. Depending if you are water cooling the GPU's, if you dont you would need some ventilation (fans) in there certainly as having 4 stacked ontop of each other will generate a lot of heat.

There are many mobos that will do 4 way SLI. a 5960x will do fine in there also aswell as id say 16-32gb DDR4 RAM.

on 4k depending on the settings if i say play bf4 everything on ultra.
no antialiasing- 90-160fps (130 average)
2x and high post-80-130 (115 average)
4x and high post- 70-110 (90 average)

the lowest estimate is with massive explosions or explosions resulting in dying, i rarely if ever see it drop below 60.

I personally have it on 2x anti-aliasing and high post there is minimal if any difference between 2x and 4x due to the high resolution. but there is a slight difference with it off vs 2x.
 
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beers said:
Overreact much..

What are you doing that needs 16 threads vs. something like 12, as an example? Is it really worth X extra dollars for zero performance difference for your specific usage pattern? Also keep in mind things like HDMI 2.0 are limited to 60Hz at 4k (so you would get effectively 30Hz using 3D), therefore gaming on that setup would be sucky.
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A game that support multi thread can use 4-6 by itself, I sometimes run flight sim in the background on auto piliot while playing other games. Avid can eat through whatever cores are available to. throw in watching a 4k movie at the same time and all cores can be used. i sometime also leave business stuff open. I do a lot at once ;)


As for HDMI, who would run HDMI for 4k? Id run display port most likely,
 
tylerjrb said:
yeah the car radiator is possible so long as the compression fittings, pump head can take the pressure. and that the pump you use wont burst pipes etc. I hate people saying "NO" because you can make it work no problem.
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Thanks, hate when people say no...at least give a reason why not.

tylerjrb said:
The case itself can be 3d printed just making sure everything has as much space as possible for airflow and heat. Depending if you are water cooling the GPU's, if you dont you would need some ventilation (fans) in there certainly as having 4 stacked ontop of each other will generate a lot of heat.

There are many mobos that will do 4 way SLI. a 5960x will do fine in there also aswell as id say 16-32gb DDR4 RAM.
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My research today has sold me on the titan..unfortunately they dont make the water cooling version yet....the normal version takes 3 slots and thus you can only do 3 way sli and have it fit. i might wait for the h20 version since i want to water cool anyway. They also only use 2 slots and thus i could really install 4 cards. The other consideration is the dual gpu cards really need 16x. with 3 it drops to 16,8,8. I might be better off with just 2 at 16,16. Nvidea says you can do 4k gaming on 1 of these cards. With 3 monitors they recommend 2. After reading about this card, i really think 3 is overkill. Assuming i can ifnd a h20 block or the h20 card, i will be water cooling these guys.

tylerjrb said:
on 4k depending on the settings if i say play bf4 everything on ultra.
no antialiasing- 90-160fps (130 average)
2x and high post-80-130 (115 average)
4x and high post- 70-110 (90 average)

the lowest estimate is with massive explosions or explosions resulting in dying, i rarely if ever see it drop below 60.

I personally have it on 2x anti-aliasing and high post there is minimal if any difference between 2x and 4x due to the high resolution. but there is a slight difference with it off vs 2x.
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Those frame rates seem aceptible. Rates dont halve and third with dual and tri screen anyway. I run tri HD now on dual gtx470. no its not 4k, but it runs it ok on crappy cards.
 
it may be worth it looking into two r9 295x2 instead? they run really well but im unsure how well their 8gb VRAM will be used with 3 4k monitors. They run faster than the titan z and you can get custom water blocks for them, they come with their own radiator anyway. They are also cheaper.
 
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