Windows 11 Discussion Thread

Darren

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Probably should have one of these, even if it is quieter around here these days.

W11 is coming as a free update for W10 users this fall 2021.


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Discuss/share news below. I for one am pretty lukewarm on this, seems to be an appearance package for W10 and not much else. Be curious to see what the future holds.

 

colin.p

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I am rather skeptical about the "free update" part, as ms is requiring me to buy an "acceptable" computer and charging me a licensing fee for the priviledge of running their "new" windows version. Seems like a pretty expensive "free update".

I am quite satisfied with this old unsupported Haswell i5 that runs 10 very well (a refurb I bought last March). I might be able to hack my way around the install limitations that ms put into 11, but I am quite satisfied where I am currently. Not to mention (at this moment in time) ms swears up and down they will support 10 for another 4 years.

However, if they don't, I am a long time linux user and have other linux computers, so if push comes to shove, I am quite happy to return to whence I came.
 

lucasbytegenius

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Maybe we should merge these two threads? Special hardware needed to install Windows 11

I am rather skeptical about the "free update" part, as ms is requiring me to buy an "acceptable" computer and charging me a licensing fee for the priviledge of running their "new" windows version. Seems like a pretty expensive "free update".

I am quite satisfied with this old unsupported Haswell i5 that runs 10 very well (a refurb I bought last March). I might be able to hack my way around the install limitations that ms put into 11, but I am quite satisfied where I am currently. Not to mention (at this moment in time) ms swears up and down they will support 10 for another 4 years.

However, if they don't, I am a long time linux user and have other linux computers, so if push comes to shove, I am quite happy to return to whence I came.
Are you using 10 to play games rather than on Linux? I've been looking at either switching my gaming PC to Linux or just getting an Xbox Series X with Game Pass and just saying screw it to the whole rig building business. The GPU shortage has me annoyed :)
 

colin.p

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No I am not a gamer. This windows 10 computer is mainly used for my Plex Media server, however I find myself using Kodi more often so the increase of power is not as needed. I will keep 10 on it for awhile, as windows is all new to me but I am noticing that the honeymoon is fading rather quickly unfortunately.
 

beers

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The GPU shortage has me annoyed
I was feeling the same, but the laptop segment wasn't doing too badly. I sold most of my crap to pay for the sig laptop, it's an upgrade in every way and is now also portable :p

W11 is coming as a free update for W10 users this fall 2021.
My main concern is just peripheral support and games that have crappy patches that leak memory. Interested to see if it is like, even really worth doing lol. I kind of feel like unless there's something actually significant than it will be a flop until they try again.

What's supposed to be the new best feature?
 
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StrangleHold

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The jerks. It isn't nothing but a update. They knew it would kill 80% of computers and they would have a nightmare. Its really nothing but (TPM) version 2.0. and DirectX 12. Its nothing but computer cancel culture. Buy some new stuff or the computer boogeyman will hunt you down and destroy your computer.
 

lucasbytegenius

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They knew it would kill 80% of computers and they would have a nightmare. Its really nothing but (TPM) version 2.0. and DirectX 12.
I'm curious how many computers will actually be affected. I haven't been able to find solid stats online.

I did find that Microsoft started requiring OEMs to add TPM 2.0 in 2016. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-tpm

While my computer supports Windows 11 just fine, this weekend I went ahead and reinstalled Windows to take advantage of "enhanced hardware security", which will be the default in Windows 11. I wanted to make sure my drivers and some apps would still work, hopefully allowing for a less painful Windows 11 transition.

I chose to reinstall because I realized I originally installed under Legacy CSM mode, instead of UEFI mode (this install had been upgraded from Windows 7 > 8 > 10 and carried through 3-4 desktops). There was a lot of cruft to clean out and reinstalling ended up being the fastest solution, lol.

One issue I ran into enabling these security features was that CPPC on my Ryzen CPU caused a BSOD on reboot after enabling "Memory Integrity" in Windows, but turning off CPPC fixed it and it's been solid.

The other issue is that the Windows plug-and-play driver for my Schiit Modi Multibit ended up not being compatible, but installing the official Schiit driver for Windows 8 solved the issue.
 

johnb35

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I'm curious how many computers will actually be affected. I haven't been able to find solid stats online.

I did find that Microsoft started requiring OEMs to add TPM 2.0 in 2016. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-tpm

While my computer supports Windows 11 just fine, this weekend I went ahead and reinstalled Windows to take advantage of "enhanced hardware security", which will be the default in Windows 11. I wanted to make sure my drivers and some apps would still work, hopefully allowing for a less painful Windows 11 transition.

I chose to reinstall because I realized I originally installed under Legacy CSM mode, instead of UEFI mode (this install had been upgraded from Windows 7 > 8 > 10 and carried through 3-4 desktops). There was a lot of cruft to clean out and reinstalling ended up being the fastest solution, lol.

One issue I ran into enabling these security features was that CPPC on my Ryzen CPU caused a BSOD on reboot after enabling "Memory Integrity" in Windows, but turning off CPPC fixed it and it's been solid.

The other issue is that the Windows plug-and-play driver for my Schiit Modi Multibit ended up not being compatible, but installing the official Schiit driver for Windows 8 solved the issue.
I did a fresh install a couple weeks ago on the 28th since I bought a 1tb NVME SSD, gonna use that for boot and storage instead of ssd and mechanical drive. The WD blue mechanical was getting old anyway. I had to some rearranging on my NVME drives for windows to recognize the bigger one as a boot drive, I also installed using UEFI and secure boot so now I'm all set for windows 11.

The program called Whynotwin11 is more specific on why the upgrade would fail, more info related.


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Now all I have to do is do the same thing to GF's computer. I just really hate the idea of having to enable secure boot. Hopefully they relax this requirement before final release.
 

johnb35

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I already had a 250gb NVME, just upgraded to 1tb, gonna keep the 250gb as extra storage though. As soon as I copy data over from mechanical, its getting retired. I got the 980 and according to crystaldiskmark i'm getting higher than the rated speed of 3500. Kinda wished my board had PCIE 4 support for the fast NVME. :(:mad:
 

lucasbytegenius

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I already had a 250gb NVME, just upgraded to 1tb, gonna keep the 250gb as extra storage though. As soon as I copy data over from mechanical, its getting retired. I got the 980 and according to crystaldiskmark i'm getting higher than the rated speed of 3500. Kinda wished my board had PCIE 4 support for the fast NVME. :(:mad:
Yeah I retired all my mechanical drives in my desktop a couple years ago. I have a 512GB NVME and two 1 TB SATA SSDs. Much faster and quieter.
 

StrangleHold

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I'm curious how many computers will actually be affected. I haven't been able to find solid stats online.
I don't really know, that was off the top of my head. Of my 3, two can't for one reason or another. CPU on one and the video card in the other. The 2 that don't are probably better then 70% of the people I know desktop computers. There is no reason MS could not have had Windows 11 TMP 2.0 and DirectX 12 compatible and not required.
 
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