Please Help/new system

Lane · Dec 9, 2006

I have about $1,500.00 - $2,000 to build a computer for gaming. I don't need a fancy case as it will be in a desk. What is important to me is frames per second, so I want a fast processor and a great video card.

Not sure about needing a dual core though? I like AMD, not sure that the FX series will fit my budget.

I looked here, can you guy's and gal's help me out with this?

I will build myself as I have built them in the past and the one I am on now is on 4 years, and only formatted the hard drive about 5 times,lol.

Would I save money at another place to get better hardware?

PC eye · Dec 9, 2006

The one main thing to note here is that you won't be seeing single cored cpus too much anymore. In fact both AMD and Intel will be marketing quad cored cpus for servers at first with desktop models increasing later. The current fast cpu is the Intel Core 2 line for the moment. But AMD works more with boosting the front side bus then cpu clock speeds. The FX series is for the gamer. The Opterons were geared for servers while the X2s were geared for the multitasking desktop.

Besides a faster 2.4ghz to 2.6ghz cpu with a dual core you also have to look at memory, video and sound along with "cooling" especially if you have OCing in mind. Both NVidia and ATI have come out with the 7950+ and X1950XTX cards. Many are seeing problems with the 7900 line. There are water cooling setups for video cards alone as well as for cpu. You can even look at some air conditioned cases if you have a lack of space to some degree for air flow.

Now "building your own" there is a significant difference in overall cost saving by "choosing wisely" at vandors like newegg.com, for gaming cases xoxide.com has a good lineup of makes and models, and coolerguys.com offers some ideas on cpu coolers like Zalman and Artic Cooling. Give these sites a good look before getting rooked with inflated prices on preassembled builds!

ADE · Dec 9, 2006

use www.froogle.com type in what you need and prepare for a huge discount. trust me. That places already saved my over $400. Just buy parts seperatelly and save $$$ then put it together.

PC eye · Dec 9, 2006

Well if you go to some place like Alienware you will be spending more then the budget there for ordering a custom case! Here's a look at the "ultimate"? gaming cases for both Intel and AMD models alike. If you want to "spend" go to http://www.alienware.com/Product_Pages/desktop_all_gaming.aspx If you want the "voice of sanity" shop around for deals on board/cpu combos and other price reductions.

Lane · Dec 9, 2006

Thanks, I will look around and see what I can come up wilh, maybe see what alien ware has inside the box and by the hard ware piece by piece.

PC eye · Dec 9, 2006

You will be far better off for it! Those price tags are outrageous! But that's where they get a lot of people. Take your time to look over some of the threads here too for ideas. You should be able to put a good case together for under $1,500 by simply being a "smart shopper"!

Lane · Dec 13, 2006

How does this mother board look? Good for gamming hard core? $114.00

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_SLI-F&class=mb

Who is the best? Well doesn't have to be the best, but who make a good reliable board? I have an MSI right now and it seems to be holding it's own for some time now. I want one for seriouse gamming and applications, mainly gamming and fps in play. I will probably go dual core?? Can't really afford FX though.

Also should I go SLI? I see it has two 2 PCI-E 16X, is this the best way to go for fps?

the_painter · Dec 13, 2006

$2000!!!!You could build a crazy good system!!

Lane · Dec 13, 2006

Well I am a little lost about what to put together here with my money? I want something fast but reliable for a while. Also what is compatible with everything.

the_painter · Dec 13, 2006

You'll need:
-Processor
-Operating system
-Power supply
-case
-RAM
-motherboard
-Hard dirve
-Drive
-Graphics chip
-monitor, keyboard, speakers, etc
Find all that and post your setup here and let the smart people(not me) make sure it's compatable.

Lane · Dec 13, 2006

the_painter said:
You'll need:
-Processor
-Operating system
-Power supply
-case
-RAM
-motherboard
-Hard dirve
-Drive
-Graphics chip
-monitor, keyboard, speakers, etc
Find all that and post your setup here and let the smart people(not me) make sure it's compatable.

ok thanks, I will do that painter.

spanky · Dec 13, 2006

I put this together for you real quick.

Antec Performance I P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower
ASUS P5ND2-SLI Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition
XFX PVT80FSHF9 GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
OCZ EvoStream OCZ600EVOSLI ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 600W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6700
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
ASUS Combo Drive Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model CB-5216AG

Total: $2,050.93
After Mail-in Rebate: $2,020.93

I chose the Antec case because they're quiet and high flow with the 120mm fans. ASUS mobos are good for OC compadibility plus SLI in case you want to get another 8800GTX in the future. Right PCU for the price range I think plus again for OC and I'm an intel fan. Corsair makes excellent Ram -- XMS series. High RPM HDD. DVD/CD-Rom for games or movies. PSU just right for the setup. If you need money for monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, I suggest downgrading on VGA to a cheaper SLI setup.

Grey410 · Dec 13, 2006

theresthatguy said:
I put this together for you real quick.

Antec Performance I P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower
ASUS P5ND2-SLI Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition
XFX PVT80FSHF9 GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
OCZ EvoStream OCZ600EVOSLI ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 600W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6700
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
ASUS Combo Drive Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model CB-5216AG

Total: $2,050.93
After Mail-in Rebate: $2,020.93

I chose the Antec case because they're quiet and high flow with the 120mm fans. ASUS mobos are good for OC compadibility plus SLI in case you want to get another 8800GTX in the future. Right PCU for the price range I think plus again for OC and I'm an intel fan. Corsair makes excellent Ram -- XMS series. High RPM HDD. DVD/CD-Rom for games or movies. PSU just right for the setup. If you need money for monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, I suggest downgrading on VGA to a cheaper SLI setup.

Thats a sweet build but I'd knock the CPU down to the E6400 (its comparable to the E6600.

I wouldn't go SLI but get an 8800GTS.

As for the mobo. No dice. Get the Gigabyte DS3 or the Asus P5B or the EVGA 680i SLI mobo. The nforce 4 chipset is old.

joeswm8 · Dec 13, 2006

defiantely get a C2D E6600 or less, and get the 680i mobo, you can OC it to very high and save a ton of money

PC eye · Dec 14, 2006

Lane said:
How does this mother board look? Good for gamming hard core? $114.00

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_SLI-F&class=mb

Who is the best? Well doesn't have to be the best, but who make a good reliable board? I have an MSI right now and it seems to be holding it's own for some time now. I want one for seriouse gamming and applications, mainly gamming and fps in play. I will probably go dual core?? Can't really afford FX though.

Also should I go SLI? I see it has two 2 PCI-E 16X, is this the best way to go for fps?

Before everyone went off on a wild tangent about Core 2 boards and their own ideas of complete builds the thing to mention here on the FX line of "AMD" not Intel model cpus is that the FX60 is the only dual core FX model. From there you would move into the Socket AM2 model boards. For a 939 board MSI is up there with Gigabyte and Asus. With an AM2 or Core 2 board you will be looking at DDR2 667-800mhz memory over the lower cost of DDR ram. But with $1,500+ available you have the option to go newer now or wait until the newer line of quad core(desktop models) cpus drops in price. The current tag on the FX60 is still over $400.

Lane · Dec 14, 2006

spanky · Dec 15, 2006

Lane said:
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item=N82E16811129154 $120.00

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009 $250.00

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003 $310.00

Graphics: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814150205 $610.00

POWER SUPPLY: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817341004 $185.00

MEMORY: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145590 $270.00

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136012 $225.00

CD/DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827135140 $20.00

$2,030.00 with shipping, will save more with rebates.

Please tell me what you think is all this compatible? Is the memory good?

Am I missing anything? How about a heat sink for CPU?

Will this be a good machine for 3D games?

"Please hurry I am itching to buy and build!"

All compatible, yes good memory, stock heat sink and fan included with CPU, this is definitely a good build for gaming. In fact, I'm kind of jealous. All your missing is your keyboard, mouse, and monitor. You can always upgrade the heatsink and fan later.

PC eye · Dec 15, 2006

I'll give the Antec 900 the edge over the model there. You can see the 900 at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129021 This is due mainly to the increased air flow if you are planning on fans instead of the water cooling/air conditioned case expenses that would certainly see a higher price tag all around.

Can't afford an FX while spending $609.99 on a video card? XFX doesn't cut it with several here as a good make to go with. MSI, BFG, eVGA, and Asus get better reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=

spanky · Dec 15, 2006

PC eye said:
I'll give the Antec 900 the edge over the model there. You can see the 900 at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129021 This is due mainly to the increased air flow if you are planning on fans instead of the water cooling/air conditioned case expenses that would certainly see a higher price tag all around.

Can't afford an FX while spending $609.99 on a video card? XFX doesn't cut it with several here as a good make to go with. MSI, BFG, eVGA, and Asus get better reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=

I own and XFX 7950GX2 and it works great.

PC eye · Dec 15, 2006

theresthatguy said:
I own and XFX 7950GX2 and it works great.

I'm not the one making complaints on that brand. But then I am usually found running ATI not NVidia cards. For NVidia models Asus and NVidia have always seen the best results here. But XFX has heard complaints from others.

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