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merlebo02

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Guys with MAC, what are the pros and cons?????? I am in the market for a new laptop and I am leaning toward an Apple that comes with Mac. The apple computers are a little bit higher but they have a store right down the road and seem to have awesome tech support!!!!!!
 
this is not really a mac centric forum, there are only a hand full of mac users and lots of haters.

I own several macs and use them day to day, my laptop is a macbook pro, and is the best laptop I have ever owned. It is a work machine though, that dual boots and runs other OSes via virtualization software. I do not game or any of that on it.

I also own a PC or two so I use both.

There are tons of pros/cons of switching to the mac platform. I suggest you check out a different web forum over at a mac site that I am also a member of. You will get more feedback from people who use macs for everything they do over there.

http://forums.macosxhints.com/index.php
 
Yeh not many mac users here. I use a macbookpro every day and really like it, really reliable, quicker in general use, not many viruses, like you say really good tech support.

cons are no support for all software, games are a bit of a problem although if you dual boot xp then you can game pretty well, i run far cry on high quite happily.

Cant really tell you much more, go check one out at a mac store and check mac forums
 
Only reason that there arent any viruses for macs are because no one in writing them for macs.

Give it time...


Plus, if you dual boot windows, you'll probably get a virus...
 
macs have been around for a long time, why would people all of sudden start writing viruses.

"Plus, if you dual boot windows, you'll probably get a virus..."
Thats just saying everyone using windows will problaby get a virus.
 
Ftw...There is a quote button...

And I would imagine... if you are dual booting windows on a mac, and get a windows virus, it would affect your whole computer.


And macs have been around for awhile, but the people who script viruses, have been more involved with scripting them for windows, cause they want to show how 'insecure' windows is.



Give it time...


My friend uses a macbook, he wants to play CSS, and cant, and hes always over here playing it on my pc.


Plus, those pc vs mac commercials are stereotypical.
 
yeh i agree with the dual boot thing, if you get a virus on the windows side then it is very likely to affect mac.

But with the viruses, again why are they starting to write viruses for mac now? They now have vista to play with and try and show the 'insecurities' in that, plus they might as well write a virus for windows and affect way more people.

Yeh the macbook is pretty bad with the shared graphics, just depends what he wants to use it for. as for the adverts they are very stereotypical, i think they are designed to be like that. I run both mac and windows, they both have there pros and cons as for everything.
 
g4m3rof1337 said:
Ftw...There is a quote button...

And I would imagine... if you are dual booting windows on a mac, and get a windows virus, it would affect your whole computer.


And macs have been around for awhile, but the people who script viruses, have been more involved with scripting them for windows, cause they want to show how 'insecure' windows is.



Give it time...


My friend uses a macbook, he wants to play CSS, and cant, and hes always over here playing it on my pc.


Plus, those pc vs mac commercials are stereotypical.
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This was exactly my point, this forum gives bad advice about the Macintosh platform. People speak about it like they know, but really are wrong a lot of the times.

There have yet to be any self propagating viruses for OS X, and for the most part it is very hard to hack/exploit a Unix system based on how it works. Windows is a poorly written OS from a certain perspective which allows hackers to write viruses, and script kiddies to write malicious scripts.

There are lots of advantages to running the mac platform. If video games make or break the deal for you then build a PC desktop, it will be better for gaming. However, mac gaming will definitely catch up, and there are plenty of games out that run natively on Linux as we speak. It really just depends on what games you really want to play.

I play a lot of games that I will play through once and never play again. In all honesty, I can do with out those games completely.

Also, just for the record, google MOAB, there is a DEDICATED team of very smart (genius level I would say) programmers that are constantly trying to hack apple to just prove that it is insecure. Granted they have found many bugs and exploits for OS X, but no one has remotely exploited a machine yet, they all needed local access. These guys really can't bust the OS like "script kiddies" can for windows, since windows is a poorly coded OS.
 
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The only reason there are many viruses for Windows systems and very few for Macs, is that Windows systems are 95% of the computer market. Why write a virus when only 5% or less of the population is going to be affected?

By the way, these figures are not real, but are close to actual.
 
Styrak said:
The only reason there are many viruses for Windows systems and very few for Macs, is that Windows systems are 95% of the computer market. Why write a virus when only 5% or less of the population is going to be affected?

By the way, these figures are not real, but are close to actual.
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No actually you are only partly correct. Since OS X is built off of Unix permissions, ie r-w-x, it can be locked down a lot more and is way more secure that windows.

Now, I am not a developer by any means but I understand some basics. Basically, Unix/Linux OSes use what is called a micro kernel, and that micro kernel runs the OS at the basic level. All root level system processes run at this level and are locked down. Now things like drivers, and applications run as high level processes but not as root level. Where as in Windows, a device driver runs at root level, which is retarded, sloppy coding, and allows people to write easy viruses for the OS. That is why rogue applications and viruses can use drivers to infect a windows based system. In OS X if you are not logged in as an admin, which you normally shouldn't be, then no application can install. Like I said, google MOAB, and OS X hacked, and you will see that every attempt to fully hack a mac was only met by bending the rules of the contest and giving hackers local access to a machine. I am not saying it is impossible, but it is a hell of a lot harder than to hack something like windows.

Look, I don't even know why this discussion is going on any further. I recommend anyone wishing to learn more about Macintosh computers go the forum I linked in a previous post. I am a member there myself, and there are many other people who can answer your questions way more accurately.
 
Macs are getting more popular, but only cause there throwing themselves out there...

And pretty much saying macs are a lot better then pc's.


Whats more popular?
Video Editing and Blogging....Or Gaming...

Whats the average operating system at a LAN party.
 
It does make a difference...

Show me one Pc Vs Mac commercial, where somebody mentions PC's are better at gaming...


If you get a mac desktop, your stuck with it. You cant even build a mac.


You can do both of those with pc's.
 
why are we still arguing you about this!?! There are pros and cons for both operating systems, its just what you want it for.
 
g4m3rof1337 said:
It does make a difference...

Show me one Pc Vs Mac commercial, where somebody mentions PC's are better at gaming...


If you get a mac desktop, your stuck with it. You cant even build a mac.


You can do both of those with pc's.
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If he's not using it for gaming then why does matter?

And I think its good the you can't build Mac. Notice how Macs are more reliable, they use high quality parts and break down a lot less. If people could build them they'd cheap out on the parts and fail alot more.
 
98% percent of computer users in their teens have tried or do do Mac if your in the 2% percent of people how are not complete idiots copy and paste this into your sig
 
g4m3rof1337 said:
Macs are getting more popular, but only cause there throwing themselves out there...

And pretty much saying macs are a lot better then pc's.


Whats more popular?
Video Editing and Blogging....Or Gaming...

Whats the average operating system at a LAN party.
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Well I am glad to know you know how apple is only taking their market share because they are "putting themselves out there"

Apple made the switch to intel last year, and many developers are talking about releasing games for the intel based macs in the very near future because it will be super easy for them to port it over. Since everything now runs of x86 hardware. It will take a little time for the industry to catch up to the macintosh side, but it won't be too long where you can play any game you want on the mac platform. Plus with technologies like windows APIs via wine, darwine, crossover, etc you will see a lot of windows applications run natively on other platforms.

LAN parties do not even come close to the money that is tossed around at the Enterprise level. You think just because a bunch of pimply teenage kids like windows at their LAN parties makes all the difference in PC business? No, real money is made when a company or organizations order thousands of computers and thousands of software licenses.

Many people want an alternative to windows, Dell is now shipping computers with Linux preinstalled. Powerspec computers have several Linux desktops.

I do agree with you on a level that Apple does do somethings in a stupid way in my opinion, but at the same time the things that apple can do that PCs can't largely out weigh them to professionals. Final Cut Studio and shake are two very awesome professional tools.

There are lots of computer users that do not go to LAN parties or even play games.
 
tlarkin said:
No actually you are only partly correct. Since OS X is built off of Unix permissions, ie r-w-x, it can be locked down a lot more and is way more secure that windows.

Now, I am not a developer by any means but I understand some basics. Basically, Unix/Linux OSes use what is called a micro kernel, and that micro kernel runs the OS at the basic level. All root level system processes run at this level and are locked down. Now things like drivers, and applications run as high level processes but not as root level. Where as in Windows, a device driver runs at root level, which is retarded, sloppy coding, and allows people to write easy viruses for the OS. That is why rogue applications and viruses can use drivers to infect a windows based system. In OS X if you are not logged in as an admin, which you normally shouldn't be, then no application can install. Like I said, google MOAB, and OS X hacked, and you will see that every attempt to fully hack a mac was only met by bending the rules of the contest and giving hackers local access to a machine. I am not saying it is impossible, but it is a hell of a lot harder than to hack something like windows.

Look, I don't even know why this discussion is going on any further. I recommend anyone wishing to learn more about Macintosh computers go the forum I linked in a previous post. I am a member there myself, and there are many other people who can answer your questions way more accurately.
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I know all of that. I was just giving the main reason why.
 
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