raoul_1101
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I've been wondering this for a long time, being a PC guy, i've always despised mac's. what do you guys think? what are the pros and cons of both?
Mac vs. PC
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raoul_1101
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sorry, i guess when i did use search i did it very poorly...
patrickv
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am pretty sure someone made a Leopard thread sometime ago, just do a search, it's pretty pointless to go talk bout macs vs pc
patrickv
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see, there it goes, the flame starts, i knew it, someone just couldn't keep his mouth shut
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I own a macbook pro, along with 3 desktops and 2 pc notebooks, I really do like the MAC OS X - it is far superior to any operating system I have used yet. Tasks are very easy to complete on a mac, and i find i have far less issues and spend far less time troubleshooting. It is great not to have to run 5 programs in the background to remove malicious threats to the PC and run scans weekly.
Cons: Apple's support is horrible, I recently had to go through a nightmare with the mac "genius" spending 4 hours attempting to convince me a bad memory module is not the cause, rather it is third party software causing trouble. After 4 hours I had to throw a fit for the "genius" to replace the bad memory module, and still trying to convince me I was wrong.
MY macbook is great and it's very useful, But to be honest their support is horrible especially for advanced users, such as myself who is a CIS major and needs to troubleshoot and repair issues immediately. That is essentially what I love about my desktops, I can always build to suit, and if something goes wrong, I can troubleshoot the problem and get it fixed immediately without having to wait for some half-witted nincompoop to erase all my data convinced a third part software has corrupted system files. Rather, he'd prefer not to listen to someone, who in detail explained the error results shown in the memory diagnostics test, and why that leads me to believe it is a bad module which is not processing data properly.
Ever since the IPhone came out, I have been scared that I am going to do something wrong and apple will "brick" my Macbook.
Overall I agree with the previous poster PC MORE FREEDOM! THIS IS VISTA!!!!! RIGHT ON DUDE.
I own a macbook pro, along with 3 desktops and 2 pc notebooks, I really do like the MAC OS X - it is far superior to any operating system I have used yet. Tasks are very easy to complete on a mac, and i find i have far less issues and spend far less time troubleshooting. It is great not to have to run 5 programs in the background to remove malicious threats to the PC and run scans weekly.
Cons: Apple's support is horrible, I recently had to go through a nightmare with the mac "genius" spending 4 hours attempting to convince me a bad memory module is not the cause, rather it is third party software causing trouble. After 4 hours I had to throw a fit for the "genius" to replace the bad memory module, and still trying to convince me I was wrong.
MY macbook is great and it's very useful, But to be honest their support is horrible especially for advanced users, such as myself who is a CIS major and needs to troubleshoot and repair issues immediately. That is essentially what I love about my desktops, I can always build to suit, and if something goes wrong, I can troubleshoot the problem and get it fixed immediately without having to wait for some half-witted nincompoop to erase all my data convinced a third part software has corrupted system files. Rather, he'd prefer not to listen to someone, who in detail explained the error results shown in the memory diagnostics test, and why that leads me to believe it is a bad module which is not processing data properly.
Ever since the IPhone came out, I have been scared that I am going to do something wrong and apple will "brick" my Macbook.
Overall I agree with the previous poster PC MORE FREEDOM! THIS IS VISTA!!!!! RIGHT ON DUDE.
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tlarkin
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okay, here is my background first of all. I was really into video games when I was a teenager. Games like warcraft, starcraft, command and conquer, Doom II, duke nukem, shogo, mechwarrior II, etc. All those games were for PC, and back then PC games really didn't have a rating system, and they weren't geared towards anyone in particular. So, the content could be whatever the dev wanted. I shot strippers in Duke nukem when I was like 13 or whatever. It was different then, but multiplayer was really big in Doom and with the RTS games. Everyone was back on dial up back then so I had to learn DOS commands to start dial up sessions (the AT commands) so we could change games between a dial up connection. My parents got mad because I would tie up the phone lines so much, but I am sure all of you know how it goes.
So, I learned basic networking because of video games and just kind of played with computers. Went to art college but ended up working IT. Got myself several PC and MS certs and worked my way up.
At my first IT job ever I was a PC tech for a company that provided warranty repairs. Just like your Frys and Comp USAs and how Best Buy used to be a long time ago. Our Mac tech quit. So, I come into work one day and there is a G3 first generation iMac on my bench. These things had just come out, and it was broken out of the box (which happens with every company - trust me!). I was like what the hell is this crap on my bench towards my boss, and he was like our mac guy quit so you are going to learn. OS 8.6 was the newest OS out but a lot of people were still running OS 6 and OS 7. I hated mac OS back then.
So, I took the iMac apart and replaced the part. What had happened is that it was dropped somehow in shipping and the CRT imploded and I had to replace the whole CRT assembly (not easy for your first time taking one apart). So, what happens next is I am fixing all kinds of Macs and my company is pretty much letting me train myself and learn as I go because we had zero mac people. My boss was both Mac and PC but he was always off doing management stuff so he couldn't do a lot of the tech work. Me and one other guy were learning a lot. I got Apple certified finally since my company said they would pay for it, since it is kind of a job requirement and I had been fixing them already for over a year.
That was in 1999/2000 abouts. OS X comes out I think in 2001 and I start to change my mind slightly about the Mac. I think that OS X is leagues better than OS 9 and previous OSes. 10.1, not really too impressed still just rather run Linux. 10.2 came out with was a major overhaul and I was starting to get impressed. 10.3 came out and it implemented a lot of third party support, and there were talks about Apple dropping IBM because they couldn't produce chips fast enough for Apple so Jobs wanted to take a new approach. 10.4 is released and I am really starting to like it a lot. I am starting to write shell scripts to automate tasks so instead of manually doing someone on several hundred machines I ssh or push out a conf file remotely and it works pretty well. Then the Intel announcement helped me like them more too, because I knew that would make them more compatible. Typically, I was finding that my solutions were working first try on the Mac at a higher percentage than windows. I was used to trial and error at least a few times supporting microsoft products. Also, that is typical. A lot of times you set something up, or try an update in small environments find a bug and troubleshoot then implement it fully once you know it works. So I was used to failing the first few tries and tweaking here and there for results. Then with Apple things kept working first or second try and I started liking it more.
Then I got my Macbook Pro. I have owned several mac laptops and several mac desktops and I like them, but I have always like my PCs too because I build them to spec and run whatever OS I want to on them. It is nice to boot into Linux and do things that windows just does not do well. My Macbook Pro changed my view completely. It has been my best laptop I have ever owned. I run 4 OSes on it. I use it for work daily, and since I can run windows on it I no longer have the need to have two computers. One computer can now do everything. It is fast, and has every feature I would ever want built in. I can do a lot of things out of the box with Windows I can't. Edit video, record and master audio, author a DVD, so on and so forth. That software does not come built into windows or Linux for that matter. You have to install lots of third party applications. I found that it is the most compatible laptop out there period.
I installed Leopard earlier today on my Macbook pro. So far I like it. A lot of the newest complaints are about interface changes, but in my opinion it feels more streamlined. Spaces, is a nice and actually intuitive multiple desktop feature. Apple was the last OS to pretty much have this feature but at least they did it right. I think time machine is kind of ridiculous to me, but to the average user who is uneducated how back ups work i think its a great product. I won't be using time machine, I prefer my current back up method. At the same time though, my current back up method is more complex, and your average user wouldn't use it. I am mad that boot camp is a forced upgrade, they dropped tiger beta support for boot camp and it is now a Leopard feature. That is a very microsoft move. I currently have 1 gig of RAM in my laptop because I had to swap them out since I have a new job (old job wanted my old macbook pro back, I was hoping they would just forget about it). My RAM is on order. On one gig of ram not only is the OS completely responsive most applications launch very quickly. They definitely improved reverse DNS look up, because network browsing and connecting is a lot faster. I realy like stacks a lot too. it allows me to make custom 3D application launchers in groups on my dock. I have a utilities folder that launches all options for what utility app I want to run, so on and so forth. I have only played with it a day, but I am sure I will find things I don't like about it, but that comes with every OS.
I still like windows XP and use it mainly for gaming and sometimes for audio/video ripping. I use my macbook pro for work and for audio, and to use with my cell phone via bluetooth, I also use it to remote into all my machines at work and home (OS X, windows and Linux boxes). It is just a great all around machine that is made with high quality control. It is sleek and 1" thick, never gets too hot, has built in everything and has a nice feel to it. Not to mention a back lit keyboard.
I was originally a PC guy and hated macs, now I am really just a computer guy because I do like all my computers and OSes. With the exception of Vista I think its total crap.
So, I learned basic networking because of video games and just kind of played with computers. Went to art college but ended up working IT. Got myself several PC and MS certs and worked my way up.
At my first IT job ever I was a PC tech for a company that provided warranty repairs. Just like your Frys and Comp USAs and how Best Buy used to be a long time ago. Our Mac tech quit. So, I come into work one day and there is a G3 first generation iMac on my bench. These things had just come out, and it was broken out of the box (which happens with every company - trust me!). I was like what the hell is this crap on my bench towards my boss, and he was like our mac guy quit so you are going to learn. OS 8.6 was the newest OS out but a lot of people were still running OS 6 and OS 7. I hated mac OS back then.
So, I took the iMac apart and replaced the part. What had happened is that it was dropped somehow in shipping and the CRT imploded and I had to replace the whole CRT assembly (not easy for your first time taking one apart). So, what happens next is I am fixing all kinds of Macs and my company is pretty much letting me train myself and learn as I go because we had zero mac people. My boss was both Mac and PC but he was always off doing management stuff so he couldn't do a lot of the tech work. Me and one other guy were learning a lot. I got Apple certified finally since my company said they would pay for it, since it is kind of a job requirement and I had been fixing them already for over a year.
That was in 1999/2000 abouts. OS X comes out I think in 2001 and I start to change my mind slightly about the Mac. I think that OS X is leagues better than OS 9 and previous OSes. 10.1, not really too impressed still just rather run Linux. 10.2 came out with was a major overhaul and I was starting to get impressed. 10.3 came out and it implemented a lot of third party support, and there were talks about Apple dropping IBM because they couldn't produce chips fast enough for Apple so Jobs wanted to take a new approach. 10.4 is released and I am really starting to like it a lot. I am starting to write shell scripts to automate tasks so instead of manually doing someone on several hundred machines I ssh or push out a conf file remotely and it works pretty well. Then the Intel announcement helped me like them more too, because I knew that would make them more compatible. Typically, I was finding that my solutions were working first try on the Mac at a higher percentage than windows. I was used to trial and error at least a few times supporting microsoft products. Also, that is typical. A lot of times you set something up, or try an update in small environments find a bug and troubleshoot then implement it fully once you know it works. So I was used to failing the first few tries and tweaking here and there for results. Then with Apple things kept working first or second try and I started liking it more.
Then I got my Macbook Pro. I have owned several mac laptops and several mac desktops and I like them, but I have always like my PCs too because I build them to spec and run whatever OS I want to on them. It is nice to boot into Linux and do things that windows just does not do well. My Macbook Pro changed my view completely. It has been my best laptop I have ever owned. I run 4 OSes on it. I use it for work daily, and since I can run windows on it I no longer have the need to have two computers. One computer can now do everything. It is fast, and has every feature I would ever want built in. I can do a lot of things out of the box with Windows I can't. Edit video, record and master audio, author a DVD, so on and so forth. That software does not come built into windows or Linux for that matter. You have to install lots of third party applications. I found that it is the most compatible laptop out there period.
I installed Leopard earlier today on my Macbook pro. So far I like it. A lot of the newest complaints are about interface changes, but in my opinion it feels more streamlined. Spaces, is a nice and actually intuitive multiple desktop feature. Apple was the last OS to pretty much have this feature but at least they did it right. I think time machine is kind of ridiculous to me, but to the average user who is uneducated how back ups work i think its a great product. I won't be using time machine, I prefer my current back up method. At the same time though, my current back up method is more complex, and your average user wouldn't use it. I am mad that boot camp is a forced upgrade, they dropped tiger beta support for boot camp and it is now a Leopard feature. That is a very microsoft move. I currently have 1 gig of RAM in my laptop because I had to swap them out since I have a new job (old job wanted my old macbook pro back, I was hoping they would just forget about it). My RAM is on order. On one gig of ram not only is the OS completely responsive most applications launch very quickly. They definitely improved reverse DNS look up, because network browsing and connecting is a lot faster. I realy like stacks a lot too. it allows me to make custom 3D application launchers in groups on my dock. I have a utilities folder that launches all options for what utility app I want to run, so on and so forth. I have only played with it a day, but I am sure I will find things I don't like about it, but that comes with every OS.
I still like windows XP and use it mainly for gaming and sometimes for audio/video ripping. I use my macbook pro for work and for audio, and to use with my cell phone via bluetooth, I also use it to remote into all my machines at work and home (OS X, windows and Linux boxes). It is just a great all around machine that is made with high quality control. It is sleek and 1" thick, never gets too hot, has built in everything and has a nice feel to it. Not to mention a back lit keyboard.
I was originally a PC guy and hated macs, now I am really just a computer guy because I do like all my computers and OSes. With the exception of Vista I think its total crap.
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patrickv
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seems tlarkin is a middle guy, half mac half Pc,thats good, " touché "
i never and i dont think i will ever get the chance to service or work with Macs but i do hope one day i will, i love macs for no apparent reason and i love OSX far better than winXP even though half the time im on windows..lol
i never and i dont think i will ever get the chance to service or work with Macs but i do hope one day i will, i love macs for no apparent reason and i love OSX far better than winXP even though half the time im on windows..lol