Soo...Intel has been lying to us? What?

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vonfeldt7

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After make a previous thread/looking around on [H] forum, I've found that the Q9450 and the X3350 are *identical* with the exception of the micro-code (I guess all that does is let the mobo know what CPU it's working with?).

If they are so similar...why in the hell are the X3350's out, and the Q9450's aren't? Last I heard Intel was having problems with the Q9450's (and other non-released 45nm quads).

Am I missing something? Or is Intel just lying to us, because they don't have any competition from AMD?

Post your thoughts/opinions...
 
Intel aint lying. Xeon's are always ahead of the game, and most obvious that they are built to last alot longer than regular CPU's because of the purpose that it's always used 24/7 by servers.
 
Well that's what I'm told. Xeons are supposed to be sooo great. They're supposed to be cherry picked and everything, to ensure that they'll last. But here's what I don't get: If they are just cherry picked desktop CPUS (for the most part) then why aren't the ones that they're picking from released yet?
 
yeah they have a monopoly in the quad market and there is no reason to release a better product from a business point of view
 
Well I'm pretty pissed off at Intel for saying that they would be out in February, then March 15th ( which has come and gone) I hope what I have been reading about March 24th is true because I have been waiting for one since late November.

Stuck with a gay Pentium 4.
 
I heard that it is the micro-code machine that they are having all the trouble with. I hear that the Q's are a lot harder to micro print than the X's.
 
andy_mitch92 said:
Well I'm pretty pissed off at Intel for saying that they would be out in February, then March 15th ( which has come and gone) I hope what I have been reading about March 24th is true because I have been waiting for one since late November.

Stuck with a gay Pentium 4.
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It's pretty funny at the same time though. I mean, you have 4Gb of DDR2 RAM @800MHz, the Asus Maximus Formula, an EVGA 8800GT and...to top it off...a P4.

Pretty much a badass system except for the whole..P4 thing...haha.
 
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This is the problem with a system that has a single entity with the majority market share, especially when it is significantly larger than the other. Their is no market driven force to compel the larger competitor to innovate. They can release their products at THEIR designated rate knowing that they have a virtual monopoly on the market. The rate of innovation and new technology gets decided by MBAs and VPs rather then scientists and engineers. Essentially, they know they have about an 80% share of the CPU market (even when AMDs CPUs beat there's hands down), so why compete?

Intel can just sit back and release CPUs simply to maintain market share and still see huge profit margins. New technology will be released occasionally, but their is no real impetus for innovation. If AMD can't keep up with Intel's corporate/profit margin driven progress (which may happen because they simply don't have the resources) it will get even worse.
 
SirKenin said:
I guess that's fine as long as you realize that you can't use the Xeon on a standard desktop motherboard.
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Vonfeld7 is referring to the Xeon 3000 series from Intel. They're Socket 775 and being marketed toward small businesses, I guess. The E3110 seems to be identical to the E8400, for example. There's probably some minor differences, but I'm not sure what they are. :confused:
 
SirKenin said:
I guess that's fine as long as you realize that you can't use the Xeon on a standard desktop motherboard.
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I've been through two dual xeon-systems now, and am coming to the
conclusion that they are not as stable as a once-cpu system.

Our little kitchen computer with it's little celeron cpu has lasted far longer.

So now I'm going for a simple single quad core build.
 
mep916 said:
Vonfeld7 is referring to the Xeon 3000 series from Intel. They're Socket 775 and being marketed toward small businesses, I guess. The E3110 seems to be identical to the E8400, for example. There's probably some minor differences, but I'm not sure what they are. :confused:
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The socket is the same, but the chipset is different.
 
difference in? The motherboards? Yeah, quite a bit. ECC RAM, PCI-X slots, support for massive amounts of RAM, usually RAID and SCSI controllers, no support for the latest VGA cards (usually), extreme IO bandwidth, etc.

They're certainly not a toy and usually they're $400 and up. I have one in my main server that I can try and get a picture of. It's a dual xeon 3.2 GHz or something like that.. dual SCSI, PCI-X, etc.
 
Nah, I'm trying to figure out whether there are major differences between the Xeon 3000 chips and the E8000/Q9000 desktop chips. There doesn't appear to be any reason why you couldn't install a Xeon 3000 processor into a desktop motherboard.

You know what I mean? The fact that Intel has labeled these chips as server procs has led to some confusion, I think.
 
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