Anyone have any experience with Phase Change?

Epa

You do not need a license to buy refrigerant!! You need a license to buy and sell (redistribute).

according to the EPA you do have to be "certified" to by OZONE depleting refidgerants such as r11 r12 and r22 however as goes to the HFC refrigerants it is alot more vague. here is the artile from

http://www.epa.gov/Ozone/title6/608/608fact.html





Technician Certification

EPA has established a technician certification program for persons ("technicians") who perform maintenance, service, repair, or disposal that could be reasonably expected to release refrigerants into the atmosphere. The definition of "technician" specifically includes and excludes certain activities as follows:

Included:

* attaching and detaching hoses and gauges to and from the appliance to measure pressure within the appliance;
* adding refrigerant to (for example "topping-off") or removing refrigerant from the appliance
* any other activity that violates the integrity of the MVAC-like appliances, and small appliances.

In addition, apprentices are exempt from certification requirements provided the apprentice is closely and continually supervised by a certified technician.

The Agency has developed four types of certification:

1. For servicing small appliances (Type I).
2. For servicing or disposing of high- or very high-pressure appliances, except small appliances and MVACs (Type II).
3. For servicing or disposing of low-pressure appliances (Type III).
4. For servicing all types of equipment (Universal).

Technicians are required to pass an EPA-approved test given by an EPA-approved certifying organization to become certified under the mandatory program. Section 608 Technician Certification credentials do not expire.

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Refrigerant Sales Restrictions

The sale of ozone-depleting refrigerant (such as R-11, R-12, and R-22) in any size container has been restricted to technicians certified either under the program described in Technician Certification above or under EPA's motor vehicle air conditioning regulations. The sales restriction covers ozone-depleting refrigerant contained in bulk containers, such as cans, cylinders, or drums.

The restriction excludes refrigerant contained in refrigerators or air conditioners with fully assembled refrigerant circuits (such as household refrigerators, window air conditioners, and packaged air conditioners), and HFC refrigerants (such as R-134a and R-410A).

Under Section 609 of the Clean Air Act, sales of CFC-12 in containers smaller than 20 pounds are restricted solely to technicians certified under EPA's motor vehicle air-conditioning regulations (i.e., Section 609 certified technicians). Technicians certified under EPA's stationary refrigeration and air-conditioning equipment (i.e., Section 608 certified technicians) may buy containers of CFC-12 larger than 20 pounds.

Section 609 technicians are only allowed to purchase refrigerants that are suitable for use in motor vehicle air-conditioners. Effective September 22, 2003, EPA has restricted the sale of ozone-depleting refrigerants, approved for use in stationary refrigeration and air-conditioning equipment, to Section 608 certified technicians. Therefore, the sale of ozone-depleting refrigerants (such as HCFC-22) that are approved for use in stationary equipment but not for use in motor vehicle air-conditioners is restricted to Section 608 certified technicians.

More detailed information is available in an EPA fact sheet titled "The Refrigerant Sales Restriction."
 
and to stick to the thread at hand i was thinking get a mini fridge tear it apart build a box around the cold pipes in the fridge used to hold a antifreeze mix use a water cooler heatsink hook the whole system up so you have a somewhat big enough resivoir of cold fluid and somehow get a temerature control circuit to keep the temp in the right spot and there ya go
 
^^ Like I said there are size limitations. I didnt say that you couldnt work on any a/c systems. A/C systems in cars/trucks are tiny and low pressure systems therefor its not harmful to work on. TRust me guys I know what im talking about.

Legal: Car a/c, small fridge, dehumidifier

Dude, why did you even bring this up in the first place? I feel bad for Jet because he started his thread with a legitimate topic, and here you guys come and hijack it. Good job bra :good:
 
Dude, why did you even bring this up in the first place? I feel bad for Jet because he started his thread with a legitimate topic, and here you guys come and hijack it. Good job bra :good:

Your the one that started arguing with me!

Anyways srry for hijacking:eek:
 
and to stick to the thread at hand i was thinking get a mini fridge tear it apart build a box around the cold pipes in the fridge used to hold a antifreeze mix use a water cooler heatsink hook the whole system up so you have a somewhat big enough resivoir of cold fluid and somehow get a temerature control circuit to keep the temp in the right spot and there ya go

The problem with mini-fridges, from what I've read, aren't reliable enough for computer phase change because they weren't meant for 24/7 use, nor for cooling so much heat. If you think about it, it takes a long time for a mini-fridge to get stuff cool that isn't putting out heat. Imagine what would happen with a heavily overclocked computer!
 
Cooling by extreme means

There are some types of extreme cooling that have been tested by several groups. One such cooling method used liquid nitrogen (wow!) to cool the cpu. From what I could tell, they used what looks like a large flask assembly, mounted to a modified cpu heatsink, that they poured the liquid nitrogen into.

It worked for a short time to cool a cpu that was used for VERY EXTREME overclocking. But, it caused the cpu to die soon after due to the extreme temperature fluctuations, I think the cpu cracked (wow again!) after just a short amount of time. However the group that attempted it was able to massively overclock the cpu, thus mission accomplished.

But it sounds like what you're trying to do is: increase the cooling of the cpu (and/or gpu), but without affecting the longevity of the hardware.

So the question I have is: What are you planning to do with the computer you cool with your apparatus?

1, are we talking about a computer that will be doing very intensive calculations for a brief amount of time (eg: high OC'ing). And you're just trying to find an inventive solution to keep it running (and prevent cpu meltdown) for a short amount of time?

Or 2, you're wanting to devise an inventive method of cooling that will work for a typical user's cpu cooling needs. Thus, a cooling system that wont over-stress the hardware, but will offer an advantage over all other cooling methods (air, water, etc...)?

Or are you unsure of the exact details for now? (If it were me, I'd be going after #2)

Like I said before, I think this idea is very interesting. And if it works, sweeeeet!
 
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