Backing up CD's is now illegal

Its a vicious cycle. Since Napster, the laws have changed dramatically in an attempt to bring some order to the chaos that is the internet.. while I see some similarities to the prohibition act of 1920's... I happen to believe that everyone should purchase their music legally. Since most people (as was mentioned, kazaa and limewire ..and at one point Morpheus are/were the most downloaded programs... and the fact that I believe most of what is downloaded is illegal....) get their music illegally, governments have tried to impose rules to stop the illegal distribution of music and software. So, if more of you would legally buy music, place a single copy of the songs onto a computer and NOT share it, we would not be having some of these crazy rules imposed on us!

Everyone remembers what Sony tried. That is just the beginning, they will get it right and none of us will be able to make a copy of music we buy without putting a mic up to a speaker and pressing play and record at the same time...
 
Everyone remembers what Sony tried. That is just the beginning, they will get it right and none of us will be able to make a copy of music we buy without putting a mic up to a speaker and pressing play and record at the same time...
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Well, what sony tried was deemed illegal, so hopefully that wont be happening anytime soon. And you can always just plug the line out cable into a 3rd party recording device, like an MP3 player and hit play and record on the mp3 player, no need for a mic and the sound quality qould be a lot better.

But as you say, yes, what sony tried just broke another boundary, no its open to others bend it a bit more and get away with it. Nobody wants to be controlled like that, especially after they have just pad for the CD. Thus promoting illegal filesharing.

If someone came up to you and gave you two options:

1. Pay £15 for this music album, and only be able to play it a set number of times on a max of 3 devices

OR

2. Download a free copy of limewire and spend a maximum of 2 mins searching for the tracks on this album, then perhaps 30 mins downloading time, and not have to leave your seat.

........What the hell is everyone gonna choose, they are going in the wrong direction, they are isolating people, they need to be compromising not locking down for christ sake.


dragon2309 :D
 
SFR said:
Its a vicious cycle. Since Napster, the laws have changed dramatically in an attempt to bring some order to the chaos that is the internet.. while I see some similarities to the prohibition act of 1920's... I happen to believe that everyone should purchase their music legally. Since most people (as was mentioned, kazaa and limewire ..and at one point Morpheus are/were the most downloaded programs... and the fact that I believe most of what is downloaded is illegal....) get their music illegally, governments have tried to impose rules to stop the illegal distribution of music and software. So, if more of you would legally buy music, place a single copy of the songs onto a computer and NOT share it, we would not be having some of these crazy rules imposed on us!

Everyone remembers what Sony tried. That is just the beginning, they will get it right and none of us will be able to make a copy of music we buy without putting a mic up to a speaker and pressing play and record at the same time...
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What did sony try and do? I dont remember hearing about this.
 
dragon2309, I think the first of your two choices is not accurate.

Your first choice is not the only legal choice. You can purchase a CD and play the CD however many times you like on any device that can read CD's. I have almost 400 CD's I bought legally and I am able to listen to each CD whenever I want..

Much of our society today has become this fast paced, selfish, and unlawful mix of garbage. We resent the rich getting richer and want to find ways to save money no matter the cost. There needs to be a coupon in order to purchase something. Kids today do not think about the ramifications of their actions. You do something illegal, your parents are partly to blame and much of the time the parents are too busy with their own lives to pay any attention to you.

I grew up understanding that everything I want somebody else OWNS and I can not and should not steal from others even if I think they already have too much and wont "miss" what I steal from them.

Music companies and the artists make a ton of money. But that does not give you or I the right to take from them. Essentially, every time you dl a copy of someone's music (that has a copyright) through P2P software, you are taking money out of someone else's pocket when you should be taking the money out of YOUR pocket to pay for a copy of the music.
 
In short, sony put rootkits on all audio CD's manufactured and had been doing it for a good while. This limits playability and copy-ability, but the fact that its a rootkit means it cant be removed and is not shown up by AV scanners or anythig, its practically a big virus that you cant get rid of.

dragon2309

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Your first choice is not the only legal choice. You can purchase a CD and play the CD however many times you like on any device that can read CD's. I have almost 400 CD's I bought legally and I am able to listen to each CD whenever I want..
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Ok, but if the RIAA go ahead with what is rumpured here, then if you do buy a CD, you cant then convert it to MP3 and put it on a MP3 player, you are stuck with it on CD, which is kinda pointless if you've got a £300 top-line mp3 player. To get the songs on there you need to pay again top legally download them. Its just not gonna happen. people wont stand for it. or at least i wont anyway.
 
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So will it soon be illegal for me to have an MP3 I recorded from the radio? Or is that already illegal? :mad:
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I don't know about mp3's, but I DO know that when cassette's came out, people were recording radio onto cassettes and some riaa related thing (maybe even them) tried making it illegal, but it was shot down in court, so you CAN record songs off the radio to cassette legally, but dunno how that factors in with mp3's
 
dragon2309 said:
Ok, but if the RIAA go ahead with what is rumpured here, then if you do buy a CD, you cant then convert it to MP3 and put it on a MP3 player, you are stuck with it on CD, which is kinda pointless if you've got a £300 top-line mp3 player. To get the songs on there you need to pay again top legally download them. Its just not gonna happen. people wont stand for it. or at least i wont anyway.
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Lets take a step back and realize why this happened.... People took advantage (P2P software, buying CD's and creating copies of the CD for everyone...) and now we are seeing the other extreme. The blame should not fall solely on the RIAA, much of the blame should be placed on the illegal actions that caused this fiasco.
 
SFR said:
Its a vicious cycle. Since Napster, the laws have changed dramatically in an attempt to bring some order to the chaos that is the internet.. while I see some similarities to the prohibition act of 1920's... I happen to believe that everyone should purchase their music legally. Since most people (as was mentioned, kazaa and limewire ..and at one point Morpheus are/were the most downloaded programs... and the fact that I believe most of what is downloaded is illegal....) get their music illegally, governments have tried to impose rules to stop the illegal distribution of music and software. So, if more of you would legally buy music, place a single copy of the songs onto a computer and NOT share it, we would not be having some of these crazy rules imposed on us!
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I want to buy music online legaly, but after i bought some stuff from napster, i kept it on my second hard drive. a few reinstalls of xp and new hardware and stuff and it will no longer work. i have about $200 worth of music sitting on my harddrive that i cant fking use :mad: and napster wont do anything about it. in hindsight i know that there were things that i could do, such as burning it onto a cd or something, but i was *ahem* stupider back then.
 
They could never limit the amount of times you can play a cd there would be wars over that they could however encode the files or stick a anti ripping protection right on every cd! But that would mean putting alot of business out of business! think things might change when blu-ray disc come out the problem with them is you will need to buy a new drive just for them cd's and the cd's will probably be ever expensive for some time!
 
SFR said:
Your first choice is not the only legal choice. You can purchase a CD and play the CD however many times you like on any device that can read CD's. I have almost 400 CD's I bought legally and I am able to listen to each CD whenever I want..
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not necessarily... you are limited to the life of the disk... personally i copy each cd i buy and use the copied version to listen to... if the copy gets horribly scratched or something i make another copy...

if, sooner or later, you can't copy bought cd's people will become pissed off that they have to spend another 20 bucks for something they already own... and plus, that cd could have been bought a long time ago and isn't commercially available... so the move to uncopyable media is a move in the wrong direction...
 
ya i also heard that soon it will be illegal to put the songs on your mp3 player from a CD that you bought..which is basically waht you just said because to get the songs on your mp3 player you would have to crack the code that you just talked about
 
that was always illegal encore, lol... anyway, talk about thread resurrection, where did this come from, lol. nevermind

ive already said what i wanted to back when this thread was made but jsut to clarify, all the RIAA is doing at the moment IMO is promoting illegal downloading, most people know how to get it if, and if they dont a few mins of searching will find you some. These mp3's are completely "protection-less" and can be played/used thousands upon thousands of times. OK so the RIAA come along and say no no, buy these tracks from itunes, thats a lot better, people say ok, lets give it a tray, its a tiny bit cheaper than buying a cd, so they do it, only to find they can only play it on max of 3 devices, after that its unplayable, you have to PAY FOR IT AGAIN!!!! thats not making peopel want to buy it legally.... i dont think they quite understand just how big the P2P networks are, they always say "we are taking them down" but new ones start up day in and day out, they will not win that battle, but they dont seem to see that.

I am in no way endorsing or promoting illergal downloading btu jsut saying that the RIAA should be providing a feesable alternative for filesharers. They arent just going to stop because the RIAA says so...

dragon
 
I agree with SFR mroe then oneone else, we causes it, we should have to deal with it :P Blame the people who were stealing first not the RIAA.
 
They're way off. The reason why people aren't buying music isn't because of downloads. IF THE MUSIC IS WORTH BUYING PEOPLE WILL BUY IT!!!! The reason why people don't buy music is because we can hear it for free on the radio 50 times a day for 6 months until we are sick of it. Why the heck would we want to pay to subject ourselves to a song we know we're going to hear for free every time we turn on the radio? Not only that but we've heard it for free on the radio, we can hear it suck for free! so no, we aren't going to pay for it. There hasn't been any music worth buying for at least 10 to 20 years anyways. Also, the RIAA sucks.
 
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