Big question

Shady

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Hey everyone
I'm gonna be working on some MASSIVE math calculations that can go on for days....

and i need to buy a new processor
not above 250 $
however feel free to suggest anything

but please DO NOT POST IF YOU CAN'T PROVIDE A REASON FOR YOUR SUGGESTION
 

thealmightyone

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I guess all you need is a crappy mobo with integrated graphics, some cheap DDR2 memory, and then the best Core 2 Duo you can afford with what you have left.

I'm under the impression that single core C2D's dont exist. Is this true? I highly doubt buying a dual core over a single core will reap any benefits, which is why I ask.

EDIT: Is this new build JUST for the maths, or will it be your new build for future use. Also, the $250; what do you want that to cover? The entire build?
 
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Cromewell

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My understanding of the post is that the CPU cannot exceep $250. In that case, primarily integer work, floating point or SSE*?
 

Shady

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I guess all you need is a crappy mobo with integrated graphics, some cheap DDR2 memory, and then the best Core 2 Duo you can afford with what you have left.
however i believe CPU is the most important thing i should take care of but i don't think that's a wise decision.
My understanding of the post is that the CPU cannot exceep $250. In that case, primarily integer work, floating point or SSE*?
I'm using a program called BladeGen v4.1
it's pretty old
anywho
I'm optimizing some engine air flow system to minimize the usage of fuel.
so the whole thing is about optimization
it's gonna be solving TONS of equations coz i'm dealing with infinite functions
the equation is minimum of 13 variables
it's gonna be doing some differentiation
and saving values in files and editing existing files and stuff

i think i'm mainly dealing with floating points, coz accuracy is very important to me

EDIT: by the way i don't mind suggestions on other parts of the PC
 
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Shady

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I'll use this as a bump :rolleyes:
i also need you guys to recommend a PSU that should make this processor 100% stable
i'm not gonna be running a heavy GPU
just a crappy one coz i'm using the PC for math only
 

Cromewell

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In that case I'd suggest an Althon 64. Most any PSU will do, even a generic 450W should be fine with a light wieght video card.
 

Shady

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In that case I'd suggest an Althon 64. Most any PSU will do, even a generic 450W should be fine with a light wieght video card.

be specific please
1-which athlon 64
2-why not X2 ?
3-what advantages does the athlon 64 has over others in math calculations ?
 

Cromewell

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1. Any Athlon 64 that is within your price range.
2. If it's an old program it's not going to be multi-threaded so the X2 is a needless cost if the standard A64 is cheaper, if not go with the X2.
3. AMD does floating point operations (on the FPU registers not the SSE ones) faster then Intel, this includes the Core processors. Synthetic benchmarks look at the float test, the multimedia float is SSE.
 

fade2green514

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if you're overclocking, then the core 2 duo is the best processor all the way. in fact even if you arent, it still is, for the money at least.

this is because it benchmarks higher in all benchmarks except for memory speed, which actually doesnt matter for a whole lot of applications anyways. if we were talking 4 cores then sure, memory speed would matter, but only if you were utilizing all the cores.

not to mention, they're better than any AMD proc, and theyre overclockable to AT LEAST 3ghz. you should be able to push it to 3.4ghz fairly easily. its got the better factors of both netburst and K8 architecture, in that it has massive overclocking ability... and GREAT architecture.

so in conclusion, its better at stock, and has more overclocking potential than most processors on the market.

i mean cromewell obviously linked you to show you that athlon 64 is better, but the article he linked you to was called
"Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64"
wow.
 
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Shady

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yea but I'm not only dealing with float or integer !
i said mainly float
ALU as a whole is important
any thing that is related to math !

EDIT:
fade2green514 did you read the first post well ?
 

r0k0

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i know that the did a Core 2 Duo E4600 which is 1.6Ghz with 800Mhz FSB... but i dont know if they are out yet
 

Cromewell

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A64 has a good math unit, integer crunching isn't as fast as Core 2 but if you are doing mostly float with some integer work the A64 is still better. The only case where a Core 2 is better is mostly int, or SSE.
 

Shady

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A64 has a good math unit, integer crunching isn't as fast as Core 2 but if you are doing mostly float with some integer work the A64 is still better. The only case where a Core 2 is better is mostly int, or SSE.

well this is confusing
i can't really say what is the program is gonna be dealing with most of the time.
i'm just guessing it's float coz of the functions and numbers
 

Shady

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OK thanks a lot Cromewell i'll consider that while buying
i think i'm goin for the 3700+ then
but will i get any better performance if i get dual core ?

CFX BladeGen v4.1
this is the name of the program
may be i couldn't find the right info
but let me know if it can take advantage of dual core
 

Cromewell

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Judging by the date on the message for 4.1 I saw (http://www.cfd-online.com/Forum/news.cgi/read/341) I would suspect that it is single threaded.
i mean cromewell obviously linked you to show you that athlon 64 is better, but the article he linked you to was called
"Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64"
wow.
On the whole the Core 2 Duo is better but in certain tasks (ie. pure floating point) the A64 is.
 
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