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Ok, sorry for the long intro, but I need to explain what it is for first.

Project: Pick a debatable/controversial subject and provide your side, then write a 4-8 page paper providing evidence for your side and the converse side. Then you do 15 hours with a expert in your area (like mine is computer engeneering), and then create a product to show your understanding and gained knowledge in the area. The build is my product, well 1/2 of it. Its 2 step. 1: build the computer. 2: Use the pics, video, screenshots etc, to create an instructional website to aid people in building their own.

Budget: 1500

Requirements: HAF912 case, 2500k CPU, Nvidia GPU.

Have: Windows XP, Windows 7 pro_64 bit.


I came up with this build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127567
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220629

JonnyP11 came up with the following list when PMing him about it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121429
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.798043

ok, as you can see, we dont agree on the motherboard. Is it worth it to get a Z68 for caching with the SSD, or will a P67 work just fine?
 
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I'm gonna treat this like a new member build.

What are you using this for? If not 3D rendering or using other High-RAM needing software, why get that much RAM? No game or regular program will use more than 8GB. Even 4GB is plenty for normal use/gaming.

I'd agree with johnny with the z68. I built two computer for friends with a z68 and a SSD, and its noticeably faster than my SSD.

Do you plan on running SLI? If not, a 650w/750w power supply is sufficient for one graphics card.

Would there be a difference for you project if it was the 2500k or 2500? Aftermarket HSF if getting the 2500k?

And its a tie on the ASUS vs MSI card, although the Asus is $30 cheaper.

So you're actually gonna build this? Are you keeping it or selling it, or what?
 
I want to get 16GB of RAM just to have it. So what if I don't use anything that uses that much now, I might use something in the future that needs it. Now on top of that, I do use sketchup, autoCAD 2010, and photoshop, but not enough that 8GB would hold me back. I am kinda set on 16GB though in this budget range.

It will be an everything computer, gaming, programming, photo editing, browsing, just about anything I do on a computer.

on the motherboard, how much of a difference are we talking about? Just a SSD is going to be fast enough for me most likely, its plenty fast on my D630, and thats on the ICH8 chipset.

SLI might be an option in the future.

2500K for overclocking. The build for the project wouldn't have a difference if it was a Pentium 2 or a 2500k or a FX4100. Its more to take pictures to use in making the site.

Cooler, was thinking of a H60 of Antec water cooler. Would this net any better than a hyper 212?

I like the look of the MSI, thats all. Either way is fine, but Ive herd some negatives on Asus though.

Yes. And keeping it.
 
I don't think it'd be that much of a difference for the SSD. People have said they get better fps with a p67 compared to a z68.

Both of the 580s have good and bad reviews. If you look at the percentage of 5 eggs, the Asus has a way better amount of 5 eggs. I, personally, would go with the Asus. But if you'd want to SLI it, the Asus might not be a good idea because of the size. (takes up 3 slots)

And absolutely go for the 2500k. His combo he chose is a good idea, but I sure wouldn't do it.

I've installed a 212+ on a 2500k and a 2600k, and it performs really well. If you want to overclock it an insane amount, I'd go for the H60.

And RAM is real cheap, so go for it. I'd just prefer 8GB with better timings and Cas latency. And upgrade in the future would be easy.
 
can you link a better set of 16GB as far as timings go? On RAM, I prefer Patriot or Kingston (brand loyalty), but any brand will do.
 
There's no better timings for kingston or patriot. The 16GB kits with better timings are gonna cost a pretty penny, that's why I said the 8gb with better timings are about the same price as the patriot ones you posted.
 
Probably not in gaming, maybe in photoshop, autoCAD, any of that. I wouldn't think double the price is worth it. When I built my machine, it was only $10-20 more, so I went with the better timings.
 
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yea, the CAS8 is a $55 difference and the CAS7 is a $80 difference from the G2 that I originally picked out.

I think I am just going to stick with the patriot G2 and be happy with CAS9.

Then again, I may be able to set the timings down to 8 or 7 manually in the BIOS and have the same thing with a $55/$80 savings. Never really know.



Back on the cooler, at 4.5+ Ghz, hyper 212 or H60? I was thinking a full loop water cooling setup, but then I couldn't figure how to model it before hand to see what I would need and how I would route the tubing, so Im thinking closed loop?
 
Water cooling is out of my league, might wanna talk to Machine3 about that. I'll ask my friend with the 2500k and see what ghz/temps he's at with his 212+.
 
I have PMd him about it.

Thanks for your aid btw.

I was just saying I was looking at that as an option. Im going to try to draft it and see how I like it, then I will put it up and see what he thinks. I should have the budget for it from what I see.
 
well for the 212+ i know someone on here has their 2500k at 4.5ghz, and since you are thinking watercooled maybe, the H80 is like 24 off for like 91 or 92 bucks instead of 115 or so, and 10 buck mir, just thought i'd let you know

and clapt, i had chosen the 2500 combo because the k was out of stock and whenever i look the combos seem to be the same
 
jonny, I am more looking for numbers. Like a compairison of the H60 vs the 212+ at the same GHz on the same processor. Im not going to spend money on something that is useless, or that I can get the same for less unless it just looks kickarse, like the PSU (im sure there are cheaper ones out there in the respectable brands, but this one looks cool). Same with the GPU.
 
so you went from looks don't matter, no window on 912, to if it looks kickarse then i want it. but yeah, everybody likes cooler looking parts.

but i tried looking up some numbers, and they seemed similar, not too far apart from the h60 to the 212+, and the kuhler is about the same as the H60, but either should get you at about 4.5 on a 2500k peaking in 60's or maybe 70's depending on room temp. i'd give liquid a slight edge but not a 30 or so buck edge.
 
Yes I did, cause I found a window mod 912 locally.

Besides, I'm an american male, if its kickass looking, I want it. Heck, I spent $300 extra on my trumpet just to get the chrome plated one. Why? Chrome = UFO = cool.
 
ok, so build list for final checking.
going with a hyper 212 I think.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COOLER-MASTER-HAF-912-BLACK-WINDOW-SIDE-PANEL-NEW-/170745070056 (side panel)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697 (HDD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009306 (LCD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 (case)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157240 (MB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127567 (GPU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011 (PSU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 (CPU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220629 (RAM)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899261005 (ESD)
 
ok, I think I got it figured out. Final call is February 14 so build can begin 20 February.

Case: 912 or Lanboy Air?
- I can pull a 912 within budget with a 580. If I drop to a 570, then I can pull a LBA. I like both, but I'm not sure if I should go with good Cable Management, or the cool factor. If I get the 912 now, and don't like it, I can always reup to the LBA in the future, right?

Motherboard: I think I over thunk this, but I have been debating between EVGA, ASrock, Asus, and Gigabyte. I think that they all have some excellent boards in the P67 category, but I am not sure what handles best, or if one or the other might hold a Overclock better.
for now for budget considerations, I am keeping the ASrock on the wishlist and awaiting advice on any of the others.

PSU: same as before. XFX850 watt.

GPU: with the 912: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127567
with the LBA: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127582

RAM: debating back and forth on the original Patriots or Kingston. Advice either way?

SSD:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233223.
-60GB, SATA 3, Corsair. I think it will work nicely. But I am not 100% on SSDs, so advice. Is this one fine? All that is going on it is Windows, whatever game I happen to be playing at the time, Open Office, Chrome, and probably some random files that I will forget to run to the E:\ drive.

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148681. Large and in charge. It is around the same price as a 1TB 7200RPM, but is 2x as big. I can deal with slow, I have used 5400 RPM laptop drives for years and it never bothered me.

Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057? I don't know why, but it caught my eye. It is around the price of a 212+ I think. Will it perform on par with the 212+?

Possible Network card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166005.
-I need two jacks to network my lappy to via crossover cable. Some of the boards chosen do not have 2 natively, so this comes into play. I do not want to make a motherborad call based on the # of RJ45 ports.

CPU hasent changed. 2500k is the beast, and it is staying even if I have to drop to a GT540 to do it (not in this budget, just for dramatic effect).


Another thing I was thinking up is what about the GPU. Kepler is just around the corner. Would it be better to get a GTX550ti/GTX560ti/GTX460 now and await Kepler for the big daddy card? Or will the 580 be kicking gaming butt (by this I mean better than a 360) until DX12. If so, the 580 is in and DX12 will see an upgrade.
 
LoL i like how you list the anti static strap in your list of components. :D Thats a really solid list for a build you have there, especially that case for 60 bucks. I agree with the selections, but I have two suggestions. As for the cooler, corsair hydro series are nice, and the h80 will do a good job. I have tried that, and I have tried the thermal right silver arrow. The silver arrow has been quieter, and has provided lower temps than a h80.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5054/corsair-hydro-series-h60-h80-and-h100-reviewed/5

Of course the obvious drawback here is the silver arrow is a monster and will have to be stuffed in that case lol. But it's a tad cheaper i believe than the h80. I feel that with a gtx 580 and a water cooler, it might be better to probably go with a case like this, for better airflow.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...w?ie=UTF8&qid=1328104859&sr=8-1&condition=new

A seller has it here new for 77 dollars.

besides that, everything else looks awesome
 
I am actually steering away from water currently. Looking more at the Coolermaster Hyper N 520. I think I will eventually go water though, but just not now.

As for the 1200, I don't really like the design. The 912 is a solid performer with airflow and cable management. I think I am going with it, but I was also looking at the Lanboy Air also. What are your thoughts on that? If I go with the lanboy, I will have to drop the GPU to a GTX570 though. Thats no biggy really.
 
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