Building gaming computer, $1000 budget

Ricj

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Hey guys, I'm building my first gaming computer and I would like to here some of your suggestions.
I am canadian, so please stick to newegg.ca and tigerdirect.ca
I like AMD processors best, so please only suggest those :P
I would like to be able to have 12gb+ ram.
Games are as follow : crysis 2 and WoW (Both at max :D)
I know it might be a strick list, but please try.
Thanks, Ricj
 
CPU-$174.99
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (125W) Quad Core Socket AM3, 3.4GHz, 8Mb Cache, 1800MHz HT, 45nm (HDZ965FBGMBOX)

Motherboard-$109.99
Asus M4A87TD EVO Socket AM3 AMD 870 + SB850 Chipset DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 Mhz 2x PCIe 2.0 x16 8-Channel HD Audio Gigabit LAN 2x USB 3.0+12x USB2.0 6x SATA 6Gb/s ATX

Memory-$104.99
Corsair XMS3 DOMINATOR 4GB (2x2G) DDR3 1600MHz DIMMs, w/DHX BEMP Support, Optimized for AMD Phenom II (CMP4GX3M2B1600C8)

Graphics-$269.99
Asus EAH6870/2DI2S/1GD5 ATI Radeon HD 6870 Chipset (915MHz ) 1GB (4.2Ghz) GDDR5 Dual Display DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express 2.1 Graphics Card

Hard Drive-$139.99
OCZ (OCZSSD2-2SLD120G) Solid 2 Series SATA II 2.5" 120GB Solid State Drive, Read: 220MB/s, Write: 130MB/s

Cases-$89.99
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Ultimate Gamer Case

Power Supply- $94.99
Antec TP-550 Truepower New 550W Continuous Power Supply

CD/DVD Drives-$27.99
LG GH24NS50 Black SATA DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 16xDVD+R DL 12xDVD-R DL 48x CD-R 32xCD-RW OEM


=174.99+109.99+104.99+269.99+139.99+89.99+94.99+27.99
=1012.92+131.6796(tax)
=1144.5996
these are all from canada computers.com but ur allowed to price match with ncix.com (canada) so eitherway ur getting this price or lower
 
^ There's an edit button, dude...no need to triple post just to add two sentences.

12GB of RAM is ridiculous for a gaming machine. 8GB is pretty feasible though...still overkill, but you can do it fairly cheaply with a one dual-channel kit. I'd still recommend 4GB, but here's a build with 8. A second 2x4GB kit will put you at 16.


That puts you at $1006 shipped, before taxes. If you need it under $1000 after taxes, try this:


Puts you at $1008 shipped after a 12% tax.
 
Thanks guys, here's what I got for a start

Mobo - ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard - $100

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz - $167

Ram - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $46 (Will get one or two more sticks in a few months)

PSU - XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V - $130

GPU - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.1 x16 - $245 (Will get another to run crossfire in a few months)

DVD drive - ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW - $21

Monitor - ASUS Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - $110

Case Fans - Rosewill 80mm Blue LED Case Fan - $11 for 2

Thermal Paste - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $10

Case - Apevia Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case - $60

Hard Drive - Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $50(Another in a few months)

Total - $950 Before Taxes/Shipping, $1143.03 with shipping/taxes (Luckily Budget was before shipping/taxes :P)

No need for OS, I have Windows 7 disc already, and same with keyboard/mouse. How does this look? Is everything compatible?
 
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I, too, am building a new computer (mostly for WoW). I would like you to reconsider your AMD chip. I was all ready to purchase an AMD 6 core. Then I read this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html

This article helped me a great deal. Pay special attention to sections 9 and 10. You'll see that for whatever reason, Intel chips are crushing AMD chips when it comes to Cataclysm. You can get an Intel i3 or i5 that will outperform the best AMD chip (according to Tom's). You'll spend less, too.

Also, I also agree that 12GB of RAM is overkill right now. It's kind of like the guys in the shower, see who has the biggest.... it really doesn't mean anything.
 
That is not a 6 core btw only a quad. And tbh I prefer AMD over intel anyday. TBH I was just looking more mainly a compatibility check and mabye some suggestions within my guidelines.
 
Yeah, I was just stating that I was going to get a 6 core. If you prefer AMD, then by all means get one, but it can't do what the Intel will do.
 
I just found that the Intel mobo's were way overpriced. If you could link a decent mobo (Atleast 16 gig's of ram max) then I'd for sure go for it.
 
What about a processor? I've seen some for around the same price as the one I stated earlier, but not as fast......
 
^ Biostar is an awful brand, dude.

Honestly, at this point, the AMD build is much more cost effective. There will be little to no discernible difference in them while gaming.

Thanks guys, here's what I got for a start

Mobo - ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard - $100

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz - $167
No sense in getting the 965 if you're stretching a budget. You can easily set the 955 at the same speed, no strings attached.

Ram - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $46 (Will get one or two more sticks in a few months)
You'd want just one more to run in dual channel. Having three would put you back to single channel.

PSU - XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V - $130
Good unit, that.

GPU - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.1 x16 - $245 (Will get another to run crossfire in a few months)

DVD drive - ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW - $21

Monitor - ASUS Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - $110

Case Fans - Rosewill 80mm Blue LED Case Fan - $11 for 2
See my argument on the case.

Thermal Paste - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $10

Case - Apevia Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case - $60
This case has poor airflow and even poorer cable management. Build quality sucks, too. Why on earth would you pick it? I've linked some good ones below.

Hard Drive - Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $50(Another in a few months)
It would be very much worth the little extra dough for this one: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Total - $950 Before Taxes/Shipping, $1143.03 with shipping/taxes (Luckily Budget was before shipping/taxes :P)

No need for OS, I have Windows 7 disc already, and same with keyboard/mouse. How does this look? Is everything compatible?

Responses in red


Cases:

XION XON-EC001: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208037

Diablotek CPA-6170: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811822001

Rosewill Challenger: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

CM HAF 912: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 (this is the best of the bunch, functionally)

Diablotek CPA-3570: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6798985&CatId=1842

NZXT M59: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5222597&CatId=1509

Antec One Hundred: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57879&vpn=Antec one hundred&manufacture=Antec

NZXT Gamma: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45753&vpn=GAMMA&manufacture=NZXT

Logisys Soho 1: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56672&vpn=CS2006BK&manufacture=Logisys Computer

Logisys Soho 2: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56673&vpn=CS2008BK&manufacture=Logisys Computer

NZXT Beta EVO: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=48086&vpn=BETA EVO&manufacture=NZXT
 
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I don't care about brands or names, I read reviews. The mobo I listed has 5/5 customer review. If people worried about brand names so much, Hyundai would still be selling $5,000 throw-away cars.
 
Well, lol I just changed a bunch up, and luckily a new case was one of the ones you listed. Here is hopefully the finalized plan.

Mobo - ASUS M4A88T-V Motherboard - $110

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - $150

RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $46

PSU - XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W - $130

GPU - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.1 - $245

DvD Drive - ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X - $21

Monitor - ASUS Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - $110

Case Fan - APEVIA 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - $7

Thermal Paste - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $10

Case - Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $55

Hard Drive - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200 RPM - $55
Total - $939 ($1107.75 taxes and shipping)

Is that all compatible? Any major flaws?

And @Big Daddy Rhino, what I don`t get is how a dual core running at the same speed, or slower, than a quad core, can out perform said quad core. I've read here on these sight that most games require only three cores, so a quad core is just a necessary overkill. And if since your into reading reviews, all of those products listed have a 5/5 rating.
 
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I don't know about any other games than WoW, and I only know that from the extensive testing from Tom's Hardware. I don't think you'll be unhappy with your build at all; I'm actually doing something very similar to you. But after everything I read, I ditched the AMD I was looking at and decided to get an i7-875k. My build is in this same forum, it's under "slowly but surely, i'm learning this here fancy stuff" title. If you read the article I sent, you'll see that regardless of amount of cores, speed, overclocking, etc.. the AMD processor bottlenecks performance at a certain level. That's a mighty nice card you're getting, but the AMD won't let it stretch it's legs and run (for whatever reason, in WoW). It's not my opinion, it's right there in non-biased, objective research.

Personally, I had to ask myself, "Should I spend $1,000 and get a great computer, or spend $1,100 and get 70-80% better performance than the $1,000 build?" For me, the answer was pretty obvious, but if you're absolutely ceilinged at $1,000, do what you can. I don't play anything but WoW, and according to the article I linked you, my i7 build is going to smoke anything AMD can throw out there (for only about $100 more).

And lastly, with everything I've said, I am VERY new to all this. I don't have the knowledge to fully understand what component's stats do what. But with the help I've received from my friends, and the objective consumer research I've done, I am very confident, that the $1,100 I'm gonna shell out (minus monitor) is going to give me an incredible WoW experience.

Best of luck to you.
 
Thats fine, I guess we both have our own opinions. But I would like to point out, on your post, your mobo on has one PCI E x16 slot. From what I've learn, a lot of guns rely on GPU more than CPU. So with only one PCI E slot you cannot Crossfire or SLI graphics cards (Dual graphics card) so that is were your system won't be able to strech its legs and run. But anyway, best of luck to you, and you really do have a nice system going there.
 
That's a mighty nice card you're getting, but the AMD won't let it stretch it's legs and run (for whatever reason, in WoW). It's not my opinion, it's right there in non-biased, objective research.
How about no? I don't know what you've been researching, but a 955 is very easily powerful enough to make use of a 6870. The only cards I've ever seen the Phenom II become a bottleneck on is the Radeon HD5970, which is actually two graphics cards in one, and is still the fastest card on the market...even ahead of the GTX 580.

And even then, it had to be run at some damned crazy settings for that to happen. For the most part, in gaming, there will be relatively little difference between an i7 and a Phenom II quad, given the same graphics card.

I don't care about brands or names, I read reviews. The mobo I listed has 5/5 customer review. If people worried about brand names so much, Hyundai would still be selling $5,000 throw-away cars.
Newegg reviews are worthless, dude. That board has a wimpy VRM's, very few features, and has Biostar's crappy customer support and software. Fun fact; It was Biostar's crappy BIOS coding that led to people being able to unlock cores on AMD cpu's. Nobody figured that out on purpose...Biostar just had software that didn't work right.

Granted, there are worse boards than that one, but it really is not very good. Definitely not up to the standards that Gigabyte and Asus keep.

Personally, I had to ask myself, "Should I spend $1,000 and get a great computer, or spend $1,100 and get 70-80% better performance than the $1,000 build?"
Bullshit. You're talking out of your arse, buddy. There will be performance gains with an i5 quad, but not ANYWHERE near 70%. It'd be something like 10% in raw processing power, at most, IF that was a quad core i5, which it isn't. The gap is even narrower in most games. As-is, the Phenom II 955 is easily the more powerful processor, even if the 655 is better in single and dual threaded games. (read: old games)

Further, the socket 1156 platform that the i5 is on will be completely replaced on Jan. 5, by socket 1155. The two are not compatible in any way. On the AMD side, AM3 is also being replaced, by AM3+, but not for several months. The difference in the two is that is that the old AMD processors will work in the new motherboards, making the upgrade process much smoother.

So, by going with an i5 650, you'd be paying 25% more for a weaker processor and somewhat similar performance in gaming, as long as those games are older ones that only support two cores. By going with an i5 750/760, you'd be paying roughly 35% more for a 5-10% increase in performance. And either way, you're still buying parts that will be completely replaced two days form now.
 
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