Call of Duty, the Destroyer

Meh, it was just a linear trawl to the next cutscene rather than a game



Fallout 3 - RPG FPS. There is a multiplayer mod being developed, and as FO3 and NV are on the same engine, it will work with both. All borderlands is is a more cartoony fallout 3, but with less content and less depth, but you can play with other people. So they put multiplayer on fallout and downgraded the graphics, it still doesn't bring anything new to the scene at all. You can sit down and play it and know how to play it immediately because the fps elements are the same as every other FPS, the RPG elements are the same as every other RPG.

Borderlands is also ridiculously linear. There are side quests and what not, but as a whole, it is completely story driven, and in the end you have to go back on the track, and you have to go where the game wants you to go, it is the same with ME, you could go exploring planets and doing side quests, or just do the main quest line, but in the end to continue you HAD to do the main quest line, and the same can be said for FO as well

I couldn't bring myself to finish Fallout. I thought it was terrible. It was the combat really that did it for me. I do not want a combat system implemented into my game that does all of the work for me. And please do not add in a third person view if my guy clearly can't walk correctly. That feature should have been left out entirely. I wanted to like this game, but it just bothered me more than anything.

I am not saying Borderlands was great; it had multiple flaws, but it gave me more of an mmo style vibe than the rest of these titles. I am just waiting for Guild Wars 2 to come out so I can play a good mmo without the hassle of a $15 subscription fee.
 
Well its hard to blame a single franchise for destroying gaming. So many games clone one another anymore that unique games hardly show up anymore. The few that have were poorly done and didn't get a good response.

So they stick to what sales because we keep buying it. If you have a option to make a game that will earn you 100 million dollars or make one that earns you 500 million which would you choose? So till the community stops buying the reskins we will continue to see them :P
 
Well its hard to blame a single franchise for destroying gaming. So many games clone one another anymore that unique games hardly show up anymore. The few that have were poorly done and didn't get a good response.

So they stick to what sales because we keep buying it. If you have a option to make a game that will earn you 100 million dollars or make one that earns you 500 million which would you choose? So till the community stops buying the reskins we will continue to see them :P

I agree with that standpoint. I just don't understand how the community continually buys into this franchise.

Games seem to get easier and easier and less creative every year. The few games that actually challenge the player never get the proper community response they deserve.
 
I agree with that standpoint. I just don't understand how the community continually buys into this franchise.

Blame casual gamers here. They out number us and because they play very limited hours they expect less from gaming and are more easily entertained. Also to blame is console gamers because they are the larger % (cheaper systems = more users) and they are use to "basic" gaming that consoles bring.
Plus sales on PC have been bad the past few years. They blame piracy which does happen but that is a small %. Most who pirate wouldn't have bought the game anyways so you really can't consider that a "sold" copy. The real reason is PC gamers ARE sick of it and we have always required better than console gamers have.

Then you got greedy companies like Activision/EA/UBI etc that control large % of the gaming world (which also buy and crush smaller ones with promise) so that further hurts us. So all you got now is reskins but really want to game...so you either play old games or buy the new ones. Most choose to buy the new ones. I continue to play games that were made 10-20 years ago as they are still fun :P The biggest issue IMHO are the stock holders. They don't care about gaming, all they care about is filling their pockets and they control the companies.


This is just my thoughts on the matter.
 
companies are trying to attract and keep gamers that arent good at games, or that dont have the time to game alot. So they make them easier so tah they stay interested longer and keep buying games and DLC
 
Yeah there is a kid at my school who plays CoD on the 360, and that is seriously the only game he has ever played on his Xbox. Not once has he tried another shooter or even another genre. I guess that is just how some people are.
 
There's casual gamers, and then there's you peeps. Who go to a forum, bash a gaming industry, bash casual gamers, but do nothing to prevent this "impending doom" of the gaming industry. You sit around, still buy the games, and then complain about how horrible the games are. If casual gamers are ruining the gaming industry, you peeps are definitely not doing much yourselves to help the gaming community. Older games are more appealing to you because you were raised to play that game, and now frown upon any game that you don't like, because it wasn't created the way you wanted it, so you throw a fit (kind of reminds me the way an old man who soils his diaper does, yelling "those darn kids ruining..."), claiming how terrible games are now, and yet, amazingly, gaming is a rapidly growing industry, and you're just a small part who can't keep up with the times. Old days many games were produced, few were pieces of art. New days, many games are produced, few are pieces of art. If every game produced were perfect, it would take years for the development of each game, and the industry would die, well, because you wouldn't have "greedy" (which is BS btw, every company needs, and wants to make money, I'm thinking free market here, as it's pretty crucial to any company/ government/ person who owns a business) companies i.e. Activision, Treyarch, etc, that realistically keep the industry alive so that you can enjoy those ever so few perfect games such that other companies (Blizzard, for example) makes. Plus, I didn't know it was frowned upon to have the choice of game you want to play. Apparently an enjoyable game is a game that is chosen for you to play, kind of like someone choosing your life for you. Sound familiar? Yeah, think Russia. I'm sure it's not exactly that simple, but whatever lol keep ranting about how games are terrible, but you keep funding them, as I'm sure you will, and they'll just keep expanding.
 
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^^^ thats not particularly true, games arent made like they used to be and im not saying this because im old, im 18 and i think the same, theres nothing new, fresh or particularly different from whats already out there.

i remember playing my snes. and n64 for hours and hours on the same games, i complete a game now and i cant be bothered with it again.

take final fantasy for example that got worst in the last 4-5 years, 7/8/9 kept me going for 100's of hours, ff10 i coulnt even bring myself to complete it.

then look at the games that mimick it in almost everyway, last oddessy.

then you have your dynasty warrriors games, really good when they came out, a challenge, now there just button bashers with no challenge at all, i remember playing number two for hours on end trying to get that lu bu guy to no avail and it was fun now they practically give him to you.

call of duty has already been disgussed so i wont go into that.

GTA 3 was revolutionary, i dont remember a gem like it before hand, now its just remakes with better graphics and a few new toys.

the list could go on for hours, 5-15 years ago the gaming industry was trying new things, now, theres nothing.

and i am one of the people that buy these remakes, not for the fact i feel they are fully fledged games but for the reskins, i wouldnt mind if they sold half of these games as reskins but as products there not inventive as they used to be.

rant/
 
There's casual gamers, and then there's you peeps. Who go to a forum, bash a gaming industry, bash casual gamers, but do nothing to prevent this "impending doom" of the gaming industry. You sit around, still buy the games, and then complain about how horrible the games are. If casual gamers are ruining the gaming industry, you peeps are definitely not doing much yourselves to help the gaming community. Older games are more appealing to you because you were raised to play that game, and now frown upon any game that you don't like, because it wasn't created the way you wanted it, so you throw a fit (kind of reminds me the way an old man who soils his diaper does, yelling "those darn kids ruining..."), claiming how terrible games are now, and yet, amazingly, gaming is a rapidly growing industry, and you're just a small part who can't keep up with the times. Old days many games were produced, few were pieces of art. New days, many games are produced, few are pieces of art. If every game produced were perfect, it would take years for the development of each game, and the industry would die, well, because you wouldn't have "greedy" (which is BS btw, every company needs, and wants to make money, I'm thinking free market here, as it's pretty crucial to any company/ government/ person who owns a business) companies i.e. Activision, Treyarch, etc, that realistically keep the industry alive so that you can enjoy those ever so few perfect games such that other companies (Blizzard, for example) makes. Plus, I didn't know it was frowned upon to have the choice of game you want to play. Apparently an enjoyable game is a game that is chosen for you to play, kind of like someone choosing your life for you. Sound familiar? Yeah, think Russia. I'm sure it's not exactly that simple, but whatever lol keep ranting about how games are terrible, but you keep funding them, as I'm sure you will, and they'll just keep expanding.

Please don't generalise. If I don't like a game, I won't buy it, same as I know Twist doesn't, same as I know a few others here don't.

I didn't buy a CoD game after WaW. I didn't get MW2 because it was clearly another reskin and because they stuck 2 fingers up to their roots (the PC gaming market). I didn't get BLOPs because again, it is just another rehash of the same old crap. That doesn't mean I didn't play either - MW2 I got gifted to me by my parents, BLOPs I have played on a few occasions and every time it somehow managed to be worse than I initially thought (knew) it would be.

I didn't buy homefront or MoH for the same reason, I'm not preordering BF3 because it seems it may go the same way, only it may be MoH/BC2 that it is the exact same as.

I wasn't "brought up" on Portal, yet that is my favourite game of all time, I wasn't brought up on Project Reality, Minecraft, Company of Heroes, League of Legends, yet I love those games too.

What I was brought up on was Final Fantasy 7/8/9/10. Compare those to the latest offering, Final Fantasy 13, you are talking comparing games that you could go anywhere and do anything (it took a long period of the game to do that on 10 admittedly, but it wasn't completely linear), but when you did get back to the story, it was an excellent, if sometimes extremely far fetched. Compare that to 13, a linear trawl from cutscene to cutscene, half of the fights are done for you by AI, all you have to do is auto attack because it queues up everything for you. That isn't a game, that is an interactive movie and an awful one at that. The only thing in that game I enjoyed was the cutscenes because the graphics and animation were stunning, but that, again, isn't the game.

You look at Activision and how they work - games little and often, but overpriced. Guitar Hero, 1 game a year, same as the old ones, that went down the drain. CoD, 1 game a year, same as all of the old ones, give it another game or two and people will begin to get bored of it, it is already happening now, the only base they have any more is the casual gamer, and that is growing ever smaller. People don't dislike FPS games, they are beginning to dislike the same thing over and over.

You were asked in another thread to not start calling people dictators or fascists, or to hint at that, just because their opinion is different. I would give the advice to not buy the games "just because that is all there is", because when enough don't buy the games, the companies will be forced to change, and only when the consumer thinks the games are better will thy begin to grow again, and if they become stagnant, like that they have now, again boycott it. Saying that is what I do and that is what I would advise people to do if they think current gaming isn't very good, that isn't the same as saying if you buy it I will make you dissapear, you are the scum of the earth for buying these games. I'm not going to beat around the bush - it is those that buy these piss poor games that keep us where we are now so it is entirely your fault, but it is your money, so do with it what you will, but it affects other gamers besides yourself
 
These games are getting old(same-oldsame-ol) and im waiting for a new Giant to come. Hopefully, BC3 is better,along with Brink.
 
Please don't generalise. If I don't like a game, I won't buy it, same as I know Twist doesn't, same as I know a few others here don't.

I didn't buy a CoD game after WaW. I didn't get MW2 because it was clearly another reskin and because they stuck 2 fingers up to their roots (the PC gaming market). I didn't get BLOPs because again, it is just another rehash of the same old crap. That doesn't mean I didn't play either - MW2 I got gifted to me by my parents, BLOPs I have played on a few occasions and every time it somehow managed to be worse than I initially thought (knew) it would be.

I didn't buy homefront or MoH for the same reason, I'm not preordering BF3 because it seems it may go the same way, only it may be MoH/BC2 that it is the exact same as.

I wasn't "brought up" on Portal, yet that is my favourite game of all time, I wasn't brought up on Project Reality, Minecraft, Company of Heroes, League of Legends, yet I love those games too.

What I was brought up on was Final Fantasy 7/8/9/10. Compare those to the latest offering, Final Fantasy 13, you are talking comparing games that you could go anywhere and do anything (it took a long period of the game to do that on 10 admittedly, but it wasn't completely linear), but when you did get back to the story, it was an excellent, if sometimes extremely far fetched. Compare that to 13, a linear trawl from cutscene to cutscene, half of the fights are done for you by AI, all you have to do is auto attack because it queues up everything for you. That isn't a game, that is an interactive movie and an awful one at that. The only thing in that game I enjoyed was the cutscenes because the graphics and animation were stunning, but that, again, isn't the game.

You look at Activision and how they work - games little and often, but overpriced. Guitar Hero, 1 game a year, same as the old ones, that went down the drain. CoD, 1 game a year, same as all of the old ones, give it another game or two and people will begin to get bored of it, it is already happening now, the only base they have any more is the casual gamer, and that is growing ever smaller. People don't dislike FPS games, they are beginning to dislike the same thing over and over.

You were asked in another thread to not start calling people dictators or fascists, or to hint at that, just because their opinion is different. I would give the advice to not buy the games "just because that is all there is", because when enough don't buy the games, the companies will be forced to change, and only when the consumer thinks the games are better will thy begin to grow again, and if they become stagnant, like that they have now, again boycott it. Saying that is what I do and that is what I would advise people to do if they think current gaming isn't very good, that isn't the same as saying if you buy it I will make you dissapear, you are the scum of the earth for buying these games. I'm not going to beat around the bush - it is those that buy these piss poor games that keep us where we are now so it is entirely your fault, but it is your money, so do with it what you will, but it affects other gamers besides yourself

I'll agree with Twist. You are very good at twisting what others say around, and then "slamming" the "truth" down. I was asked to stop calling others dictators? If any one of you are able to slander and attack casual gamers, by stating that casual gamers are a big part of the reason why games are overproduced because they are simple minded people, "easily entertained", I'm able to retort how your opinion seems a bit on the domineering, or haughty side. Somehow in your replied paragraphs, you missed my point altogether. Games are overproduced today. Games were overproduced then. Games have cycles, as the world does, when there are low points, and there are high points. Now, sure, we are in a particularly low point in games. Not because of "casual gamers", but more likely because there is more money overproducing, and, the recession is making it especially difficult for companies to produce a few excellent games every few years. There simply isn't money to be made that way. However, once the world economy picks up, as it always does and will, games will pick up, too. If I were to make a thread "Call of Duty, the Awakening", instead of "Call of Duty, The Destroyer", and stated that Call of Duty has revolutionized the industry, I would be criticized for my opinion just the same. My opinion is more light hearted and hopeful than your opinion, and none of you appreciate that. Your views are always so negative, it's obtuse.
 
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I think youve misse dthe point of what most gamers think...its not a cycle thats failed to come to fruition for this year or last or even the year before.

it has been a trend for quite a few years now.

there hasnt been a revolutionary game for years even thought there is more technology out there now and there are most likely more advanced developers.

not to mention the average game lasts about 4-5 hours these days when years ago most games lasted much, much longer.

you name one game that has truly revolutionised any of the genres in say the last 5-10years, chances are it has been done already.

all of this really just backs up what aastii says and i can assure you that many people say the same so i cant really see how hes twisted what you have said

(on a lighter note could you space your paragraph a bit better, walls of text are harsh on my eyes :D)
 
I'll agree with Twist. You are very good at twisting what others say around, and then "slamming" the "truth" down. I was asked to stop calling others dictators? If any one of you are able to slander and attack casual gamers, by stating that casual gamers are a big part of the reason why games are overproduced because they are simple minded people, "easily entertained", I'm able to retort how your opinion seems a bit on the domineering, or haughty side. Somehow in your replied paragraphs, you missed my point altogether. Games are overproduced today. Games were overproduced then. Games have cycles, as the world does, when there are low points, and there are high points. Now, sure, we are in a particularly low point in games. Not because of "casual gamers", but more likely because there is more money overproducing, and, the recession is making it especially difficult for companies to produce a few excellent games every few years. There simply isn't money to be made that way. However, once the world economy picks up, as it always does and will, games will pick up, too. If I were to make a thread "Call of Duty, the Awakening", instead of "Call of Duty, The Destroyer", and stated that Call of Duty has revolutionized the industry, I would be criticized for my opinion just the same. My opinion is more light hearted and hopeful than your opinion, and none of you appreciate that. Your views are always so negative, it's obtuse.

Looking back on it, you were told to imply that, or to call people, dictators is "out of line".

http://www.computerforum.com/191657-console-vs-computer-3.html

I am telling you now to not post labelling any other member as such just for having a different opinion.

To try and blame the recession for awful games when companies such as Valve, Mojang and Blizzard are putting out some excellent games and still making a tidy profit is clearly not true, because, as I say, a lot of games companies are making money by not grinding out shoddy games at a rate of knots, and instead taking their time and having quality over quantity.

You would indeed be slated for claiming CoD is in any way revolutionary. It is just a prettier CS:S with unlockables, there is nothing revolutionary about it. There have been a lot of games before CoD that did as CoD does, there will be more afterwards, but the difference is 10 years ago, the FPS games as we know them now were fresh, exciting and they all brought something a little different, unlike CoD which has played off the good points of the other games, rather than doing anything even mildly original.

In short, no, CoD is not revolutionary, it just created 2 well polished games and is still reaping the rewards from them. Though their games are fun. they are not new, they are not revolutionary, they are not fresh, they bring nothing new and do nothing for the industry, other than keep us in a stale, stagnant position where we fester in the same old dirge over and over again

And yes, it is the casual gamer that don't realise this because they don't play a large amount of games so they don't see that what they are playing has been done before, however now that they have had CoD4, WaW, MW2 and BLOPs, which are exact copies of each other, the realisation that they are getting stitched up will begin to be obvious and coD will fall flat on it's backside, crawl into a corner and die a sad, lonely life, hated by all but the modders that continue to make the good games (2, 4 and WaW) half decent by keeping it original
 
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I'll agree with Twist. You are very good at twisting what others say around, and then "slamming" the "truth" down. I was asked to stop calling others dictators? If any one of you are able to slander and attack casual gamers, by stating that casual gamers are a big part of the reason why games are overproduced because they are simple minded people, "easily entertained", I'm able to retort how your opinion seems a bit on the domineering, or haughty side. Somehow in your replied paragraphs, you missed my point altogether. Games are overproduced today. Games were overproduced then. Games have cycles, as the world does, when there are low points, and there are high points. Now, sure, we are in a particularly low point in games. Not because of "casual gamers", but more likely because there is more money overproducing, and, the recession is making it especially difficult for companies to produce a few excellent games every few years. There simply isn't money to be made that way. However, once the world economy picks up, as it always does and will, games will pick up, too. If I were to make a thread "Call of Duty, the Awakening", instead of "Call of Duty, The Destroyer", and stated that Call of Duty has revolutionized the industry, I would be criticized for my opinion just the same. My opinion is more light hearted and hopeful than your opinion, and none of you appreciate that. Your views are always so negative, it's obtuse.


I don't think the economy has much to do with the industry. Companies are making more of the same games over and over again because the console industry soaks those games up. Think bad to few years ago, before FPS really hit it off in the console market. PC games came out at a slower pace and they were more polished. Then comes Halo, and COD and all of a sudden game developers realize that if they just put out the same game over and over again with different maps and gun they can make massive amounts of money from the console market.

And that's where the conception of casual gamers ruining the market comes from; because most casual gamers play on consoles.
 
Of-subject, but Brink seems to copy Borderlands MASSIVELY!!! So forget about it being a totally different game type, I'm already dsapntd. :(
 
Of-subject, but Brink seems to copy Borderlands MASSIVELY!!! So forget about it being a totally different game type, I'm already dsapntd. :(

Character design and graphically I can see where you are coming from, but gameplay wise it looks more like TF2 I think and it looks awesome
 
Brink is definitely the new team fortress. I'm excited for it and it got its release date pushed up a week! I hope it puts new life back into the fps genre.
 
Haha, look at you guys, doing the feuding thing. Anyway, the most innovative game I've played in a long time (and most won't agree) is demon souls. While, it is an rpg, and most of the elements of it have been done before, the execution of those elements is incredible. What was best about it was the difficulty of the game. No one is holding your hand. You get the beginning tutorial of what button does what and then you are on your own. The fact that you can easily die by the first monster you encounter in the game is a statement in itself.

Anyway, the thing I don't understand of what most people say, is their idea of innovation and originality. So something has been done before, doesn't mean it can't be done better, or with a twist, or with a new perspective. I believe the experience that shows that a game is fresh and innovative is when you play a game and you aren't sitting there thinking "Oh that's just like this game, or this game does this the same way as that one". You are simply immersed in what you are playing at that moment. Demon souls was the last game to do that for me and before it was COD4. I'm hoping demon souls spiritual successor (dark souls) will be the next one.
 
Anyway, the thing I don't understand of what most people say, is their idea of innovation and originality. So something has been done before, doesn't mean it can't be done better, or with a twist, or with a new perspective. I believe the experience that shows that a game is fresh and innovative is when you play a game and you aren't sitting there thinking "Oh that's just like this game, or this game does this the same way as that one". You are simply immersed in what you are playing at that moment. Demon souls was the last game to do that for me and before it was COD4. I'm hoping demon souls spiritual successor (dark souls) will be the next one.

I think what they're trying to say is that games like MW2, WaW, Blops, MW3 and or Halo 1, 2, 3, 4 (what are they at now?) are literally the same games over and over again, and we don't want that.
 
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