Core i5 750 or Core i7 920

87dtna said:
hahaha

First, open box is not a ''deal''. You get no warranty besides DOA, and it usually doesn't include accesories. It's a crap shoot. That board is normally $170 at newegg for new retail.
Second, you think the Asrock X58 extreme is a good quality board? Think again. Thats the low end of 1366 boards. I like ASrock boards, but you CANNOT buy their lowest end boards, you have to get atleast mid range to get a decent asrock board.
What brand DDR3? What timings?
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Thank you for your concern. I'll post in a few days...

And, regarding your concern about ASRock's board--it's made by ASUS, has an 8 phase power supply (all the other boards in tomshardware's comparison had 6 or less except the ASRock and ASUS boards), and was routinely in the upper half of their comparisons.
 
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Bodaggit23 said:
Post that build...I'll bet it's not a scratch build.

Sure, you could build it for that if you used parts you already have...
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I built an i7 build from scratch, minus a few parts:

i7 920 -- $200 -- Microcenter
ASRock X58 Extreme -- $118 -- Newegg
OCZ DDR3 1600 6GB -- $115 after MIR -- Newegg
Corsair H50 -- $55 -- Frys
Antec 300 -- $25 after MIR -- Frys
OCZ ModXStream 500w -- $40 after MIR -- Microcenter

Hard drives -- lying around
CD/DVD rom drive -- lying around

So, except for the last two items (could have gotten a 500GB for $34 and a DVD Burner for $25), the total is $553 -- more like $595 after tax. If you add in the hard drive/DVD, you could get right around $650ish for a complete i7 build...minus the graphics card. I coulda risked it an got a GTS 250 for $40 if I had wanted to bad enough :P.
 
Bodaggit23 said:
Post that build...I'll bet it's not a scratch build.

Sure, you could build it for that if you used parts you already have...
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Well, most of the stuff I bought it used though. but...

I5 750 cpu + G.Skill Trident 2x2gb DDR3-2000- $165
Spending around $125-150 for mobo, don't have one yet
Two seagate 500gb 7200.11's- $110
DVD burners- $40
Antec 200 case-$45
OCZ 700w PSU- $10 from a friend, had to fix the switch but works fine now
GTX260 c216- $110
And if you want to count it, $55 for a TRUE cpu cooler

Thats around $650 or so including a nice GPU and awesome CPU cooler. If I wasn't setting up a raid 0 on nice decently fast HDD's that would keep me at $600 like I stated. If you take out the CPU cooler and GPU, and compare it to Jet's list, I'm under $500. Thats all including shipping and tax, I am re-using parts from other PC's but I listed what I payed for them. The largest expenses spared was the CPU/ram and the PSU. I got exceptionally good deals on those that you don't see everyday. Also got a good deal on the gtx260. There's my scratch build for ya.

Jet sounds like your system is gonna have a huge bottleneck in the hard drive area.
 
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87dtna said:
Jet sounds like your system is gonna have a huge bottleneck in the hard drive area.
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I believe that this is going to far--lets just cut this nonsense out while we're still ahead :). You got a killer deal for what you needed (a fast, cheap and powerful gaming rig), and I got a killer deal for what I needed (a Folding@home powerhouse for as cheap as possible).

josh088--you might also want to check this out:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ddr3-4gb-p55,2462.html

as well as this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-scaling-i7,2325-11.html]
High End Memory Is Not Worth The Money

The results are obvious: going from one memory speed to the next, e.g. from DDR3-1066 to 1333, does not provide major benefits. Even the replacement of slow DDR3-800 RAM by DDR3-1600 memory will mostly yield disappointing results. While the performance advantage is measurable, it is never noticeable.

Exceptions, however, do exist. Compressing files with WinRAR is significantly quicker on fast, low latency DDR3-1600 RAM. Some applications, such as games, can at least take minor advantage of the upgraded memory horsepower.
High End Memory Is Not Worth The Money

What If?

In this light, we decided to add a few more benchmark results at overclocked processor speeds. We decided to accelerate the CPU by one clock speed increment, which reflects exactly what happens if you decide to purchase a faster processor instead of high performance memory.

Click here for all faster CPU benchmarks results.

As you will see, a higher CPU clock speed typically provides better performance in most of the benchmarks—but not in all of them.

Memory Recommendation

Knowing all of these results, it is obvious that highest speed DDR3 memory only makes sense for serious enthusiasts, or for those with unlimited budgets. Everyone else should focus on mainstream clock speeds of DDR3-1066 or DDR3-1333, and go for a trustworthy brand and the quickest timings their budget allows.
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87dtna said:
Well, most of the stuff I bought it used though. but...
There's my scratch build for ya.
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You're just arguing/bragging and completely missing my point.

We're all glad you got a phenomenal deal on your particular parts, but
that's no standard for what anyone can get the parts for...
 
Bodaggit23 said:
You're just arguing/bragging and completely missing my point.

We're all glad you got a phenomenal deal on your particular parts, but
that's no standard for what anyone can get the parts for...
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Hmm yeah ok you gonna say the same thing to Jet? no.

You asked for my setup, I gave it to you.
 
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87dtna said:
I don't really get why you posted the link. Look at the bandwidth testings, they are al within .15 GB/s or so of each other. You will never notice that much difference. Unless your point is that it doesn't matter what ram you get?
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My point would be it doesn't matter as much what ram you get as some other things (processor cooling, etc).
 
Jet said:
My point would be it doesn't matter as much what ram you get as some other things (processor cooling, etc).
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I agree, it doesn't make whole lot of difference. But for $9 more, ram with CL7 might as well be had over CL8 ram. It's simply better quality, not all about speed.
 
i had the same dilemma, i really wanted the i7 becuase of the try channel, wanted to say i was cool and i had try channel, i would of paid about 250 more with the i7, so when i got my i5, i was astonished how gd quick it was, the hyperthreading thing.. i dunno my pentium D was hyperthreading i think, i have noticed a huge upgrade from my C2d
 
Yeah like I said 99% of people will never use the potential of an I5 let alone an I7. You may only call it $200-250 to a $1000 build, but it's a completely unnecessary $200-250. In case you haven't checked, $250 is 1/4 of $1000 and nearly a week's wage to some people.
 
87dtna said:
Yeah like I said 99% of people will never use the potential of an I5 let alone an I7. You may only call it $200-250 to a $1000 build, but it's a completely unnecessary $200-250. In case you haven't checked, $250 is 1/4 of $1000 and nearly a week's wage to some people.
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Exactly--the i5 is plenty powerful enough for just about everything. Personally, I needed the i7's hyperthreading for Folding@home--otherwise, I would have gotten something cheaper.
 
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Core i7 = $1231.90
After Rebates $1181.90

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz $288.99

Foxconn FlamingBlade GTI $154.99

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 $149.99
($119.99 Rebate)

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX $139.99
($119.99 Rebate)

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4890 1GB $194.99

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache $69.99

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 $99.98

LG Black CD/DVD Burner $27.99

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $104.99

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Core i5 = $1037.90
After Rebate = $987.90

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz $199.99

Foxconn P55MX $89.99

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 $109.99
($79.99 after Rebate)

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX $139.99
($119.99 Rebate)

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4890 1GB $194.99

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache $69.99

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 $99.98

LG Black CD/DVD Burner $27.99

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $104.99

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Same components except board and cpu for a grand difference of $194 after rebates.
And this was the cheapest 1156 board I could find.

Now, how long do you think this build will last before it's not competitive?
Wait, we all use them past their prime don't we...

How long did you last computer last? 3 years?

$194.00 divided by 1080 days (3 years) = $.18 per day.
Are you willing to pay an extra $.18 per day for a better build?
That will that much more future proof? The 1156 has handicaps,
lets face it. It may not be apparent yet, but it's coming.

Just some food for thought, about your "20% of the whole build" buisiness.
 
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Bodaggit23 said:
How long did you last computer last? 3 years?

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Don't sell yourself short there. I just got done breathing new life into my old Pentium 4 with a Fresh install of Windows XP. Never hurts to have an old clunker around as a backup to be able to get online if you ever need to.

:D
 
You include the hefty mail in rebate on the ram for the I7 build, but not the I5? hmm yeah where's your bias?
Throw that in and you are at $194, much closer to the $200-250 I said before. Plus, that 1366 motherboard JUST became available. Just earlier yesterday the cheapest 1366 board on newegg was $170. Thats $16 more, and now you're up to $210. Thats more than 20% anyway, when I made that statement.
You can break it down to ''per day'' all you want. You aren't going to be paying for the build per day, it's all one lump sum at the beginning. I could pick apart your setup too and tell you that you could have gotten better components in your setup for .xx per day as well. But thats just retarded logic.
 
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