CPU Overheating

It's not ideal by any means but much better since you are down into the normal temp range usually seen with a good load. With the 6000+ here I only get into the high 30s after being on all day and night until running good app where the temps then start dropping instead of going higher.

Saturday shouldn't be a problem while reviewing the cooling for the case itself as well as the cpu cooler since that is an aluminum finned model as seen at http://www.laptopsandpcs.co.uk/Shop.../11958_TR2_A4017-01_K8_TR2-M17_SE_Retail.html

If you were running a Zalman 9700 one thing seen with the large copper array would be lower temps already. Beisdes a copper base having copper heat tubes and the array are a plus for seeing heat dissipated as well as keeping the air flow going through the case itself.
 
Yeah, I knew it wasn't the best. I don't know what that calculates out in usd, but I paid $25 usd for mine. I just needed something that would make a difference. On my M-ATX setup, a huge cooler probably wouldn't fit. Well, with where the front fan is in this case, the hard drive bay is placed in front of it. My harddrive is in the top slot, but it will diverge the air straight in, instead of in, up, and out the back. Plus, now that the 8800 is in there, the airflow is really closer to being blocked. When I look at it, it seems as if the air is just being launched forward, under the gpu, and not up and out of the case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129030

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999966

How much louder would these be over my stock fans? I'm trying to keep things as quiet as possible. Would the 90mm listed in the link be better than the 90mm that is already in my case? Would I benefit from just replacing the back 120mm one, and just leave the front fan? I would leave the back one hooked up to the controller, so it wouldn't be running full bore, but I would think it would move more at 1500 rpm than mine does at 2000.

Would these help and lower the processor temp? The card is staying pretty cool (62c on COD4), so I'm not too worried about it. On my board and case, the exhaust fan is right in-line with the processor cooler. Thanks!
 
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First of all you would want both front and rear fans since the front is for bringing in cooler air while the rear is for exhaust. Those work hand in hand together.

Since you never did mention the make and model case the idea would be adding an intake fan on the side cover rather then simply swapping out the present ones. That would provide a little more intake to see an improvement in air flow.

After another day or so you should start to see temps staying about the same rather then jumping around since the acrylic paste will have firmed up and then seeing the heat being pulled off of the cpu better where you can start running programs and games. But you will likely still see it running with a warmer temp then with a cooler like a Zalman or Artic Cooling model.

For an AM2 model the 9700 would be the choice seen for about twice what you paid for the ThermalTake model you have there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019

On the last Socket 939 build I ran the 9500 led model seen at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223
 
Hey, thanks for the help. I gave the link to the case on the first page, seven posts down. It says it's good for cooling, but they'll talk them up to sell them.

EDIT: I'll just post the link again here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147078

I like the case, because I thought it looked cool (like a bullet train) and because it looked like it would cool well. It didn't come with the fan grill on the side duct, as it's pictured in the first picture.
 
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Without the removable plastic plate with snapon retainers you simply see a large vent on the side cover of the Antec 900 model used here. At least the case sees a front intake fan along with a side vent unlike one old case here only seeing a pair rear and top 80mm fans. Talk about temps the board was higher then the cpu until moving everything into a better case at the time.

By this time you should be seeing the cpu temps down where they will likely be seen on a day to day basis. With AS-5 the manufacturer's breakin time information is 200hrs. of use or typically about two weeks of use. By then the bonding process of the acrylic base has finished.
 
Ok. I replaced the exhaust fan with a 78cfm fan. Do difference. My case temp is 28-30c. I know the front fan is just as/more important, but still. I started reading about other ECS motherboards. Several seem to have inaccurate cpu temp readings. I downloaded coretemp. One core is around 32c, while the other is around 35c. Could it possibly be the motherboard sensor?
 
Since you are seeing much better core temps that is one possible reason. Trying out a few different programs and still seeing those temps is a good sign since often a 3rd party tool is the problem not the actual sensors due to a software glitch.

The once free version of Everest Home Edition, SpeedFan, PC Wizard, and others have been known to report wild temps where the hardware monitor on most is usually reliable. But ECS, Asrock, and a few other makes are the lower quality brands when compared to Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Abit, DFI, eVGA, and a few others.
 
lmao. You just unwittingly joined the crew that got sucked in and hosed by the Google-hack known as PC eye.

I hope you learn from this that you NEVER listen to a damn thing he says. The most of us have already learned that the guy hasn't got a clue and really should go back and crawl under whatever rock he came from originally.

Yes, the BIOS readings could be, and quite often are, wayyyyy off. If he knew what he was doing he should have told you to try other means of reading the temps before wasting all that time and money for nothing.

It really isn't rocket science (unless your name is PC eye). Put on some paste (the exact amount, unless you cake it on there like icing, really doesn't make THAT much difference. Also the HSF that comes with the CPU is just fine. There are a couple aftermarket ones that will drop temps a few.

As long as you have decent airflow through the case and you took the plastic off the HSF, mounted it properly, used reasonable discretion with the thermal paste, CPU temps will be normal.

Holy God, I wish that guy would disappear before anyone else gets sucked in. Note my sig.
 
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You will have to excuse the intrusion Itronix. It's saturday night where some with psychotic tendencies get weekend visitation rights to CF apparently. :rolleyes:
 
Alright. Thanks everyone. I'm pretty sure that the motherboard is off. That little 3.5" drive bay monitor was telling me that the temps were in the 30c range, but I ignored it. Now, every core temperature program tells me that the cores are cool, but that the cpu temp is rediculous. To me, that's wrong (I'm no pro at this, just learning). If the cores are a max of 40, than the cpu temp is probably 40 or so. The new heatsink has dropped the temps a few degrees, so it doesn't shut down from heat anymore. Maybe I'll contact ECS about this. Some of the bios updates for these ECS boards fix the temp misreadings, but not the one for mine. The case temp itself is in the low thirties at most. I probably won't change the shut off temp setting until I have to, but I probably will ignore it.

Bottom line, there's no reason for this thing to be overheating, especially after what I've done to it. The case should be cooling well, even after the 8800GT and it's length that could be creating a small blockage. After seeing that multiple ECS boards have problems with temp readings. If you think different, please let me know, but to me, if the cores are good, the processor should be good.
 
The cores ARE the processor. You got a bum steer from the Village Idiot. Sorry about that.

Yes, those boards are known for that. ECS and AMD make for one hell of a crappy combination. ECS' only real use is for celerons and what not for a business machine. Even then...

Get rid of it and get a real motherboard. For your processor a DFI would be a good choice.
 
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Alright. Thanks everyone. I'm pretty sure that the motherboard is off. That little 3.5" drive bay monitor was telling me that the temps were in the 30c range, but I ignored it. Now, every core temperature program tells me that the cores are cool, but that the cpu temp is rediculous. To me, that's wrong (I'm no pro at this, just learning). If the cores are a max of 40, than the cpu temp is probably 40 or so. The new heatsink has dropped the temps a few degrees, so it doesn't shut down from heat anymore. Maybe I'll contact ECS about this. Some of the bios updates for these ECS boards fix the temp misreadings, but not the one for mine. The case temp itself is in the low thirties at most. I probably won't change the shut off temp setting until I have to, but I probably will ignore it.

Bottom line, there's no reason for this thing to be overheating, especially after what I've done to it. The case should be cooling well, even after the 8800GT and it's length that could be creating a small blockage. After seeing that multiple ECS boards have problems with temp readings. If you think different, please let me know, but to me, if the cores are good, the processor should be good.
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Since you saw AS-5 applied correctly and are seeing the temps drop right down into the normal range for the cooler(equivalent to stock) used there your temp problems are over but you still have a low end board to work with. If you decide to swap boards like the next build you'll know to go for a better make to start with along with a copper cooler. Plus ignore the "saturday night visitation rights" by some. :P

(they come out of the wood workings on weekends! :eek: )
 
Thanks. When I built this machine, it was by no means supposed to me a high-end gaming machine. I didn't intend to buy a 2.4ghz dual core (even though that's not that high end) processor, a 320gb hd, or a 8800GT gpu. Since then, I decided on faster parts, hoping that this thing would keep up with the times for a couple years.

I don't think ECS is the worst. I know a guy that owns an electronic surplus/ pc supply warehouse. He use to carry Asus, but 50% of the boards were DOA. He ended up going with ECS, which had been found in Sony products and many other brands. In the 8 years that he has stocked these, he hasn't had one DOA board, nor any complaints, I believe. No, I did not buy this board from him or any other computer parts. He's just an acquaintance, or more of a friend that's been around computers since they first popped up and he has seen a lot of them. I trust him. Hell, I even have another friend that went with an Asus board. What happened, it arrived DOA.

I think that ECS skimped out on things like temp sensors and board drivers, but I don't think that the whole board is crap. It's definitely not meant to be a gamers board, I mean, even the SATA ports were in the way of the graphics card! Either way, I set out to build a mid-range gaming computer, and I think that's about what I got. I doubt I'll go with Asus next time, but maybe a Gigabyte or something along those lines.

Edit: I know you didn't say to go with an Asus, I was just making a point.
 
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I've been running Asus boards for several years already and only one board simply quit after 3 days of use. A friend saw two come in doa for a build now running by simply going with a different Asus model then the two ordered.

Bad boards are far from being limited to one make only. There's been some discussion on this over the last few years about bad batches of caps going out for various other consumer electronics. One site is just about entirely devouted to the subject. http://badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4

Seeing bad boards coming out of Asus isn't good for a large number of system builders. They have always had one of the best reps. Abit is another one that held the "solid as a rock" reputation while not oiffering the features seen on Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, and other makes.
 
o yea

Itronix said:
Thanks. When I built this machine, it was by no means supposed to me a high-end gaming machine. I didn't intend to buy a 2.4ghz dual core (even though that's not that high end) processor, a 320gb hd, or a 8800GT gpu. Since then, I decided on faster parts, hoping that this thing would keep up with the times for a couple years.

I don't think ECS is the worst. I know a guy that owns an electronic surplus/ pc supply warehouse. He use to carry Asus, but 50% of the boards were DOA. He ended up going with ECS, which had been found in Sony products and many other brands. In the 8 years that he has stocked these, he hasn't had one DOA board, nor any complaints, I believe. No, I did not buy this board from him or any other computer parts. He's just an acquaintance, or more of a friend that's been around computers since they first popped up and he has seen a lot of them. I trust him. Hell, I even have another friend that went with an Asus board. What happened, it arrived DOA.

I think that ECS skimped out on things like temp sensors and board drivers, but I don't think that the whole board is crap. It's definitely not meant to be a gamers board, I mean, even the SATA ports were in the way of the graphics card! Either way, I set out to build a mid-range gaming computer, and I think that's about what I got. I doubt I'll go with Asus next time, but maybe a Gigabyte or something along those lines.

Edit: I know you didn't say to go with an Asus, I was just making a point.
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ECS, PCchips, etc.. All the same bottom of the barrel units. The ECS is generally reliable, but they do have issues with sensors and what have you.

Truth is, your temps were already "normal". They just weren't being read properly, and as Einstein said, any fool can make things more complicated, which is exactly what happened here.

It doesn't hurt to use AS-5... But I've used toothpaste with similar effect. There are those that know...and those that pretend. Unfortunately PC eye is one that pretends, and it has cost a lot of people here a lot of time and money for nothing. I shudder every time I think of someone actually bringing their computer to him, which he claims they do. It makes me cringe.

I never saw a lot of DOA with ECS, but nowadays I never use them. I use Asus daily and never had a dead one. MSI, on the other hand.. That is one piece of crap manufacturer. At my peak of using them, I lost at LEAST 30% to DOA alone. Brand new boards. Man, did I ever get pissed off. Putting the whole machine together, plugging it in and nothing.

Eventually I stopped carrying them altogether. They really can't do much of anything right. Gigabyte is typically a dog. They've gotten better, fortunately. I still see a lot of odd quirks with particular models that drive me up the wall. Abit I never did like. I can't stand the way they handle resources (or at least used to). The one I hated the most was the BE6-II (which I realize dates me a bit).

DFI makes some good AMD boards. I'm not keen on their Intel boards though.

Anyways, I'm glad you got it working. As you say, the ECS is not a performance board. It's a PCchips competitor.. They target the low-end price point. So yeah, if you were looking for low-end, you got it. At least you got the better of the budget crowd. Still, they don't make a very good combo with AMD as you have now figured out.
 
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I don't know what that means.

Ok. I'm glad that it's ok now (I wish I would have checked the core temps before). I'm a noob and I'm just getting myself started. This was my first build. So far, I'm impressed with it! It does what I ask, or mostly, as you can see here:rolleyes:. Who knows, maybe my friend had a bad supplier or something. I'm just glad that ECS is pretty reliable. 30% DOA? That would suck. I just want to say that I really appreciate everyones' help. It's just important to me that I know I'm not destroying my processor! I've got a lot to learn, but I've come a long way in a year, which I really didn't know much at all about hardware then. Thanks.
 
It's saturday night where some with psychotic tendencies get weekend visitation rights to CF apparently.
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(they come out of the wood workings on weekends! )
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Such as those that claim uninstalling USB drivers will crash Windows...?

;)

<quietly walks away>
 
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Itronix said:
I don't know what that means.

Ok. I'm glad that it's ok now (I wish I would have checked the core temps before). I'm a noob and I'm just getting myself started. This was my first build. So far, I'm impressed with it! It does what I ask, or mostly, as you can see here:rolleyes:. Who knows, maybe my friend had a bad supplier or something. I'm just glad that ECS is pretty reliable. 30% DOA? That would suck. I just want to say that I really appreciate everyones' help. It's just important to me that I know I'm not destroying my processor! I've got a lot to learn, but I've come a long way in a year, which I really didn't know much at all about hardware then. Thanks.
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ECS reliable? Abit was known for being a rock solid make while being quite limited on a variety of things. Many loved their older models for ocing. Gigabyte I don't knock too much while giving MSI the edge there.

Asus however still comes in #1 and offers a temp probe that is as accurate as any temp program found for seeing direct readings off of the board sensors. Many use that on other makes besides Asus. Despite someone's else's motor mouth once you saw the temps drop after reapplying AS-5 you were on your way even while the make of board there gives off wild temps for readings.

Run it until it dies or you upgrade at some point where you can go for a better make of board.
 
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