Curtains for Intel????

dragon2309

dragon2309

P.I Dragon
Oh dear, its not looking good for intel at the moment, they have been trashed in newspapers in japan recently and the antitrust complaint filed by AMD is a big blow to them. EU has raided 2 offices in intel's HQ.

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050712_171125.html

But if you ask me, i say that its just AMD saying that they have no more weapons to use and are out of ideas, they have nowhere else to go but to court. Maybe im wrong, maybe intel arent as innocent as they seem but even if AMD are succeeding in trashing intels name and brand they arent doing much for themselves along the way, i hope AMD win this court feude so that they still have a business afterwards, because if they lose they will die. If intel looses they still have a large market share to fall back on, and a lot of loyal customers who would never stray to AMD no matter what the cost/performance difference is.

Maybe AMD is all wrong and is just trying the old "all publicity is good publicity" card, amybe it is a conjoint effort from both companies to boost publicity (farfetched i know but still within reason).

If intel where to win the case, they would keep thier market share and AMD would be crippled for another decade or so. If AMD win then the gap between the two companies will become very close but i do not think that it will thow AMD into the lead, they have a long way to go until that happens.

Well, thats my voice heard, now for yours, what do you all think.
 
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could be an interesting case, i doubt it will damage intels goodwill to much. These anit competition cases often pop up, the maximum fines are not material to intel, but they will have the regulators breathing down there neck in the future. This can only be good for the consumer
 
They aren't going anywhere(unfortunetly :P) A good number of comps use them. Dells, for example...do they even offer anything besides Intel?
 
No Dell has an exclusive contract with Intel, AMDs lawsuit is to try and prevent those contracts.
This antitrust stuff may look good for the consumer but in the end I don't think it is. When all is settled Intel will probably continue on as they have, and when you look at the price they are offering technology they want to push (dual core) vs AMDs dual core, is what Intel has really a bad thing? They aren't using their so called monopoly to charge insane prices for their stuff.
 
yeah intel doesn't have an actual monopoly because other cpu manufacturers(amd) are easily accesible, they just have alot of buisness and amd would like to pretend to be the underdog that they were years ago to get more support.
 
I agree with that, AMD have a large following, perhaps not as large as intels but still very large, profits are still going to be very big for them.
 
intel still own about 80% of market share (will these are a bit old figures, it was 81.9% in 2004)

This antitrust stuff may look good for the consumer but in the end I don't think it is. When all is settled Intel will probably continue on as they have, and when you look at the price they are offering technology they want to push (dual core) vs AMDs dual core, is what Intel has really a bad thing? They aren't using their so called monopoly to charge insane prices for their stuff.
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I agree that long term this will change little. But at short term the presence of the regulators watching over intels tactics will mean new contract are increasing up for tender. Which in the desktop market will help consumers.

Asuming they lose the cases of course:D
 
glad to see my thread has sparked much healthy debate.

BTW, i dont think intel will lose the case in court. I think AMD are just running out of ammo to try to knock intel off the topspot, they tried the release of 64bit to rival intel they tried to make an equivalent dual core, these aspects have elped AMD but not put them anywhere near in the lead. I think the dury or whoever judges the case will see this and favour intel over AMD.
 
This could also be an oligopoly:
'A market condition in which sellers are so few that the actions of any one of them will materially affect price and have a measurable impact on competitors.'
 
Personally, as long as AMD makes processors that are affordable i will buy them. Intel is the big bad company to me, they own everything and don't want to share...that turns me away from them. AMD would probably be the same way if tables were turned...but they aren't in reality...so i love them:)
 
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Cool vocabulary... I still think amd is going to lose and prices will rise to pay for lawyers
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I thought prices would rise to pay for lawers...not more then a 1$ a peice if at all...
 
I don't know...I honestly don't make too much about this whole court bit. AMD would just be plain stupid to pass up a chance to take their competition to court; it's just that kind of market. On the other hand, I don't think that AMD, or anyone really, are expecting this to do much more than keep Intel on their toes. Ultimately, that's the goal...keep the enemy stressed, and they're bound to make mistakes...
 
yupyup, like hopefully releasing something too early and having a MAJOR flaw, have recalls, and lose tens of thousands of customers!!! bwahahahaahah!

no, i do not work for AMD lol.
 
yeah intel doesn't have an actual monopoly because other cpu manufacturers(amd) are easily accesible, they just have alot of buisness and amd would like to pretend to be the underdog that they were years ago to get more support.
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Yer kidding right? Intel could charge a crapload more if they wanted and AMD wouldnt be any better off

I agree with that, AMD have a large following, perhaps not as large as intels but still very large, profits are still going to be very big for them.
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Even tho they expect a quarterly loss?

BTW, i dont think intel will lose the case in court. I think AMD are just running out of ammo to try to knock intel off the topspot, they tried the release of 64bit to rival intel they tried to make an equivalent dual core, these aspects have elped AMD but not put them anywhere near in the lead. I think the dury or whoever judges the case will see this and favour intel over AMD.
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For the record, Intel beat AMD to the 64bit world by a crapload
 
But Intel beat AMD to dual-core... ANd so far 64-bit has yet to pay off specifically for the mainstream consumer. Nintendo 64 was 64-bit, so what... After 64-bit there'll be 128-bit, 256-bit and so on.
Roger
 
I think AMD are just running out of ammo to try to knock intel off the topspot
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I dount its there market stratagy to knock of intel, it would not be a wise approach when you considers intel market position.

they [AMD] tried the release of 64bit to rival intel
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The 64bit core has been v successful for amd.

they [AMD] tried to make an equivalent dual core
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Amds dual core is much more than an attempt to make the equivalent. Look at some of the reviews and stress tests/benchmarks (sorry about the link i hate THG, but could be bothered to find any others):
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/

I think the dury or whoever judges the case will see this and favour intel over AMD.
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Doubt this will go before a jury, its a civil matter.

Cool vocabulary... I still think amd is going to lose and prices will rise to pay for lawyers
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Whos prices will rise?
If AMD lose then they will have to pay lawer fees for both AMD and Intel, and since its intel that dominate the market they have more effect of RRP of all over market players
If Intel lose then they will have to pay lawer fees for both Intel and AMD. But i doubt that they fees will be a material amount, remember both of these companies will be in and out of court all the time anyway, this is just another case to try.

still majority of people uses intel processors.
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On the other hand, I don't think that AMD, or anyone really, are expecting this to do much more than keep Intel on their toes.
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true, its just corporate parlance to bat these cases off each other. Thank god its being tried in the US, and not EU - where they love anti competition cases (commi's)
 
Heya

I really hope that we will have a balanced CPU market in the future. The arguments as to who did what first are rather pointless to the point of discussion here. Now as to AMD losingh money, true, but they are not losing money in the processor market. Their main problem is in production of other electronic components which constitute much of its production.

JAN :D
 
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