so the was a bad usb port. and it was causing a short. i replaced the hub, posting solved. this was only mentioned in one forum i saw, so also check front panel connects. NOW I have a real butt of an issue. I tried upgrading from a quadro 4000 2gb to a quadro 6000 6gb. i did a ddu clean install, i tried several drivers, one from 2010 same year as production, a 2015, and current one. errors 42 and 442 , didnt migrate, and so on also nivida panel only works with a capable driver so it wont launch either. Looks like i joined the same group. quick specs dell9020 i7 4770 16 ram, also a 1080 capable monitor (sony bravia). i put the 4000 back in, it runs. im going to make new topic with this, thank everyone.