evga gtx460 vs ....upgrade?

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apriliamgt

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Just need alittle help choosing another card for my system.

I currently have evga gtx460 clocked to 850mhz.

I was looking at getting the gtx560ti but not really sure if this is going to be an upgrade worth paying for.

the gtx580 seems alittle bit out of my price range.

any help would be great.
 
I was thinking that, but because i have an AMD bored. I dont think i can SLi. the motherboard i have is an M4A88TD-EVO
 
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amd boards have nothing to do with sli, the manufacturer of the board is who controls that.

but there is no use for sli or crossfire in your system as the specs on newegg show the the 2 lanes are running @ x16/x4, so the second card won't be running at over half speed. a 6950 2gb would be great, but a 6950 or 560ti will also perform well
 
560 Ti will only be a small upgrade. If you want to upgrade I'd go for a 570. The 580 is really not that much better than the 570, certainly not $150 better anyway.


Are your frame rates really suffering? A gtx460 at 850 core clock will play just about any game with any settings at 1080p with well enough frame rates.
 
no no, My gtx460 is running really well. I just notice a few slow downs and drop in frame rate with some current games.

Crysis 2 and BF3 for say. Just looking to future proof my machine alittle
 
I would wait for a newer generation. I don't think that the 560/6950 is a big enough boost from the 460 to make it worth the money.
 
jonnyp11 said:
amd boards have nothing to do with sli, the manufacturer of the board is who controls that.

but there is no use for sli or crossfire in your system as the specs on newegg show the the 2 lanes are running @ x16/x4, so the second card won't be running at over half speed. a 6950 2gb would be great, but a 6950 or 560ti will also perform well
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AMD do have to do with SLI, it isn't the manufacturer, it is the chipset.

As Nvidia do not develop chipsets any more and the only chipset developers that makes then SLI capable are Intel, only AM3 nForce boards are true SLI capable, or 9xx AM3+ chipsets.

you can do a software SLI, but it isn't "official".

Also, the PCIe x4 does not mean the card will be running at half the speed it should be, it just means the total bandwidth is less. The performance may be slightly lower, but you are talking maybe 5% top, a 460 doesn't saturate a PCIe x4 slot.

to explain - If you have 2 pipes, one that can have 10 litres a second and one that can have 100 litres a second and you are sending 5 litres a second down each, the one which has a higher maximum flow amount will not magic up more water, both will still be throwing 5 litres/second out of the end.


Personally, I would stick with the 460 and wait until Q1/Q2 next year for the 600/7000 series
 
apriliamgt said:
no no, My gtx460 is running really well. I just notice a few slow downs and drop in frame rate with some current games.

Crysis 2 and BF3 for say. Just looking to future proof my machine alittle
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Whats the rest of your setup, what CPU/motherboard/ram/power supply.

Also, what resolution monitor do you have?

Aastii said:
Also, the PCIe x4 does not mean the card will be running at half the speed it should be, it just means the total bandwidth is less. The performance may be slightly lower, but you are talking maybe 5% top, a 460 doesn't saturate a PCIe x4 slot.
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Not true. In this case, the x4 slot is run off the south bridge, not the main chipset like other boards that support Xfire with x8/x8 slots.

I did testing on a P55 extreme awhile back with a gtx460, which has a x16, a x8, and the south bridge run x4 slot. Benched the x16 slot 3 times, took average. Benched the x8 slot 3 time, average was a less than 1% loss. BUT, the x4 slot netted a 30% loss in performance. This isn't because the gtx460 does more than a x4 slot can do, the problem is the south bridge does not have the data flow capabilities like the main chipset does.

That test a long time ago from AanTech or wherever it was, they only put tape over the card to block off the other pins to force the x16 slot into x4 mode. It wasn't a x4 south bridge run slot.
 
87dtna said:
Whats the rest of your setup, what CPU/motherboard/ram/power supply.

Also, what resolution monitor do you have?



Well im running at AMD X4 955 O/C to 3.6ghz
4Gb XMS3 DDR3
1tb Spinpoint HDD
650w Corsair PSU

Resolution wise, Running at 1080p desktop but during game play 1600x900
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Why do you run 1600x900?


At that resolution, the gtx460 at 850 core clock can play any game at any settings with acceptable frame rates. It has to be the CPU. Try running 1080p for games, see if there is any difference. I'd also suggestion running a program that monitors your FPS and GPU usage, I use MSI afterburner.

1 more question, is your gtx460 a 768mb or a 1gb?
 
I dont know really why i use that just always have. Ive got a 1080p monitor. Ill give it ago tonight. Ive used fraps and get between 35-45fps in most games. Drops to about 25fps when loads is going on.

I have the evga gtx460 1gb EE version
 
From what I've read, BF3 should have completely smooth gameplay with a gtx460, especially a 1gb model overclocked to 850 core clock. At 850 core clock, you have surpassed stock gtx470 performance.

Have you overclocked the ram on the card as well? If not, that might help too.

Also, maybe try to up your CPU overclock to 3.8ghz and see if that helps at all.

But switching to 1080p puts more load on the GPU and less on the CPU compared to 1600x900. And again from what I've read, a gtx460 plays BF3 smoothly. I've considered buying the game myself but I'm gonna wait for modern warfare 3 instead.
 
Well just been playing BF3 campaign mode. My FPS with my gtx460 1gb is between 40 and 60fps on the high setting. ULTRA you see a big hit in FPS down to about 25-29
 
I think you would notice a big difference come from the 460 to the 560ti, I noticed a difference from just a 560 to 560ti. Now I am upgrading to a 560ti 2GB.
 
JaredC. said:
I think you would notice a big difference come from the 460 to the 560ti, I noticed a difference from just a 560 to 560ti. Now I am upgrading to a 560ti 2GB.
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Dude at his 850 overclock he is above stock 560 specs already. They have the same amount of stream processors and memory bus, the 560 is simply a pre overclocked 460.....THATS IT.

gtx570 if he upgrades, it's the only way a real difference will be felt.
 
87dtna said:
Dude at his 850 overclock he is above stock 560 specs already. They have the same amount of stream processors and memory bus, the 560 is simply a pre overclocked 460.....THATS IT.

gtx570 if he upgrades, it's the only way a real difference will be felt.
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Thats why I suggested him to get the 560ti, which is a noticable upgrade over the 560. Did you not read what I typed? and the 560ti has more proccessor cores than the 560. Im guessing since he suggested the 560 because the 570 is out of his price range, so If he kicked that little extra for a 560ti it would be worth it over a 560.
 
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JaredC. said:
Thats why I suggested him to get the 560ti, which is a noticable upgrade over the 560. Did you not read what I typed? and the 560ti has more proccessor cores than the 560. Im guessing since he suggested the 560 because the 570 is out of his price range, so If he kicked that little extra for a 560ti it would be worth it over a 560.
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I read exactly what you said. You said he would notice a ''big difference'' going from a 460 to a 560 Ti. But his overclock put him above 560 specs already, so it would only be a small difference and NOT worth the upgrade.

He said he would like a 580 but it was ''a little bit'' out of his price range. If a 580 was only a little bit out of the range, he should be able to easily swing a 570 as it's $150 cheaper.
 
I dont think its a small difference having done it myself, but thats opinion and I can't make a vaild point based on opinion. I do however agree with the 570 if he has the money. but a 560ti (especially if he oc's it) will be decent upgrade for the money.
 
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