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computers dont need oxygen to operate? correct? well, think about this.... take a whole computer into space... then eject the computer to space, useing wireless keyboard and mouse... overclock it... think about it, theres absolutly no contact with any solid objects while the mobo and crap is floating around means no heat build up, maybe some kind of very thin aluminum skeleton to hold the parts away from eachother? but i mean, you wouldent even need a heatsink for that considering theres no air in space to retain heat, right? im thinking fly to the dark side of the moon and do it for a couple of hours...... think about it, it might work?
 
No because of the extreme magnetic forces in space. It would kill the CPU. Also you'd need a power source.
 
you wouldent even need a heatsink for that considering theres no air in space to retain heat, right?
So where is all the heat going ;)? You would need a fairly large radiator to dissipate that much heat at a low temperature. This is the reason that most cooling on spacecraft (ie for IR sensors) is done by cryocoolers instead of a plain radiator.

EDIT: And by radiator I mean an actual radiator that transfers heat via radiation :)
 
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You would not need a cooler in shade, in space the temp in the dark is absolute 0!! Might not even start!! But then in sun light it would need big time cooling
 
You would not need a cooler in shade, in space the temp in the dark is absolute 0!! Might not even start!! But then in sun light it would need big time cooling
1) Temperature is a function of matter. With the high vacuum of space temperature is nearly irrelavent. Heat must be transfered somewhere by some means, hence a radiator.
2) The temperature of space is not 0 K; cosmic microwave background radiation is at ~3K
 
You would not need a cooler in shade, in space the temp in the dark is absolute 0!! Might not even start!! But then in sun light it would need big time cooling
If that were the case, the planet earth would have some heating issues ... or cooling issues .... or heating issues ... you know, as the planet rotates ;)
 
Praetor said:
If that were the case, the planet earth would have some heating issues ... or cooling issues .... or heating issues ... you know, as the planet rotates ;)

Thats what the atmosphere is for, like on the moon, on the sunny side if the suits were not cooled you would fry and on the dark side which we have not been you would freeze solid without a heated suit!
 
Yeti said:
1) Temperature is a function of matter. With the high vacuum of space temperature is nearly irrelavent. Heat must be transfered somewhere by some means, hence a radiator.
2) The temperature of space is not 0 K; cosmic microwave background radiation is at ~3K

Stick your hand out of a space suit and see how irrelavent it is!

Thats just 3 degrees above 0 K
 
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Stick your hand out of a space suit and see how irrelavent it is!
That statement does nothing for your arguement. Any qualitative/quantitative data to back that up?
Thats just 3 degrees above 0 K
I know a lot more about those kind of temperatures than you... I'll just leave it at that.
 
Yeti said:
That statement does nothing for your arguement. Any qualitative/quantitative data to back that up?
I know a lot more about those kind of temperatures than you... I'll just leave it at that.
°F = K × 1.8 − 459.67
K = (°F + 459.67) / 1.8

So basically, 3K = -454.27 °F

Good luck powering a computer with that much HEAT!
 
°F = K × 1.8 − 459.67
K = (°F + 459.67) / 1.8

So basically, 3K = -454.27 °F
That's just a temperature conversion; more or less meaningless. And again, temperature isn't everything. How much heat is being transfered and at what temperature? Those equations and numbers would be much more relevant.
Good luck powering a computer with that much HEAT!
How is powering the computer the computer difficult? And how much heat?
 
an object is to be cooled down in outer space, then its side facing the sun must be made reflective and its shadow side dull black or it must be protected against the sun by means of a mirror The object will lose more and more of its heat into space as a result of radiation because the heat can no longer be constantly replaced by conduction from the environment, as happens on Earth as a result of contact with the surrounding air, while replenishing its heat through incident radiation would be decreased to a minimum as a result of the indicated screening. In this manner, it should be possible to cool down an object to nearly absolute zero (273° Celsius). This temperature could not be reached completely, however, because a certain amount of heat is radiated by fixed stars to the object on the shadow side; also, the mirrors could not completely protect against the sun.
 
its not just about temps, it's not like if your cpu is at 20C then you can overclock it to 12Ghz, i can only get mine to 2.7Ghz and mine idles at 20C-25C.
 
an object is to be cooled down in outer space, then its side facing the sun must be made reflective and its shadow side dull black or it must be protected against the sun by means of a mirror The object will lose more and more of its heat into space as a result of radiation because the heat can no longer be constantly replaced by conduction from the environment, as happens on Earth as a result of contact with the surrounding air, while replenishing its heat through incident radiation would be decreased to a minimum as a result of the indicated screening. In this manner, it should be possible to cool down an object to nearly absolute zero (273° Celsius). This temperature could not be reached completely, however, because a certain amount of heat is radiated by fixed stars to the object on the shadow side; also, the mirrors could not completely protect against the sun.

Okay, I didn't want it to come to this, but here it goes (if you don't like technical explanations stop reading)...

The density of space is approximately 1 atom per cm^3. This makes the thermal conductivity and the convection coefficient (which is simply conduction with fluid motion) effectively zero. So the only method of heat transfer is radiation which is given by the equation

q_dot = F*A*epsilon*sigma*(T1^4-T2^4) where

q_dot is the heat transfer [W]
F is the view factor [-]
A is the area of the heated surface [m^2]
epsilon is the emissivity [-]
sigma is the Boltzman constant [W/m^2-K^4]
T1 is temperature of the heated surface [K]
T2 is the temperature of the temperature being radiated to [K]

A typical CPU is about a square inch in area (6.453 cm^2). Let's say for simplicity it has a view factor and epsilon are both 1 (it only sees one uniform temperature, and is a perfect emitter/black body). We'll say it's emitting to space which is at 3 K (although a more realistic average temperature is ~40 K) and the CPU is producing 70 W of heat. This leaves one unknown, the temperature of the CPU, which comes out to be 1176 K or 903 C - much too hot for any CPU. Now, if we add more area - a radiator - the temperature will drop. A 1 m^2 radiator (assuming perfect conditions) will reduce the temperature to 187.5 K or -85.7 C. So basically, like I said before, a radiator is essential, and this is what is done in practice in space applications... I can say that from experience.
 
lol wow... im sure there's someway to use the extremely cool temperatures of space to cool a pc.
say, when its in the sun... MIRRORS! coat the entire thing in mirrors that way it only gives off heat, and never takes in sunlight :)
 
actually... heat can only move so fast, but air however can be moved much quicker... so more airflow would actually be better, plus the lowest temperature wouldn't be too low for the processor to handle (because computers have a LOW as well) and you also wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars just to get the damn thing into space lol... not to mention supplying electricity, and even then how much would it matter... its not like there's an internet connection in space :P
 
actually... heat can only move so fast, but air however can be moved much quicker...
Heat is energy and air is matter so its not really a valid comparison. And radiation moves at the speed of light anyway.
so more airflow would actually be better, plus the lowest temperature wouldn't be too low for the processor to handle
You can only produce so much airflow before the system gets choked. And you're still limited by the ambient temperature (or load temperature if refrigeration is used).
and you also wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars just to get the damn thing into space lol... not to mention supplying electricity, and even then how much would it matter...
I doubt anyone was seriously considering doing this :)
... its not like there's an internet connection in space
Of course there is - a satellite connection :P
 
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