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My friend just build his C2Q set up and is having some heat issues. At idle it runs WAYYY to hot for what it should, and when you put any stress on it at all it gets too hot and the computer auto shuts down.

he has the stock cooler, but there is no reason for it to overheat like that even with the stock cooler.

Im guessing its just a bad cpu, right?
 
When putting any new case together you have to run things rather gently for the first few days like only a few hours only on the first day alone. That allow the necessary bonding between cpu and sink to start where the heat transfer starts to be seen. It's more so with any stock cooler.

Another thing that helps is a case with good air flow to see board temps reasonable. The lower the board temps the lower the cpu temps in general.
 
well it was like that after maybe 1 hour of operation, installing OS and such.

system temp is at 30c while cpu is WAYYY higher, maybe around 90c or something. idk what he said but it was crazy.
 
Have your friend check the fan on the hsf there. That sounds a bit like what was seen here when first putting the current build together where the tip of one blade on the Zalman 9700 was found hungup on the copper array of fins. The cpu was seeing 107C for a temp but the heat was felt when placing a hand over the top of the case(Antec 900).

The hest there was actually the fan motor while no damage to the cpu was seen since the large copper disipated the heat for the short time. That was due to shutting everything down on the spot and pushing the fan mottor forward a little until the fan spun freely. Have the fan checked there to see if that is running.
 
PC eye said:
Have your friend check the fan on the hsf there. That sounds a bit like what was seen here when first putting the current build together where the tip of one blade on the Zalman 9700 was found hungup on the copper array of fins. The cpu was seeing 107C for a temp but the heat was felt when placing a hand over the top of the case(Antec 900).

The hest there was actually the fan motor while no damage to the cpu was seen since the large copper disipated the heat for the short time. That was due to shutting everything down on the spot and pushing the fan mottor forward a little until the fan spun freely. Have the fan checked there to see if that is running.
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Actually, the E8400 has many temperature sensing problems. Ask any E8400 owners here. They can't get a "real" temperature. If everything is snug, and everything is working properly, just disable autoshutdown. Most likely it's at a very good temperature...
 
When putting any new case together you have to run things rather gently for the first few days like only a few hours only on the first day alone. That allow the necessary bonding between cpu and sink to start where the heat transfer starts to be seen. It's more so with any stock cooler.
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That's recommended, but not required. Maybe in the past, but with better thermal compounds today, not anymore. Granted, I wouldn't do a 100% OC during the first five minutes, but you can definitely run the system for more than a 'few hours'. In any case, a good break-in period is to turn on in the morning and shut down at night for a week or two to allow for a good 'seepage' of the TP into nooks and crannies.

To the OP, is the HSF itself completely locked into place on the MoBo? It's not at all uncommon for the base of the HSF to get snagged on a nearby capacitor, thus creating a very-slight gap between CPU and HSF.
 
oscar its not for me, its a friend. he has a q6600 with the stock cooler. he exchanged the cpu today and im hoping that it was a heat sensor issue, when he puts it back together and gives me a call ill let you guys know.

the reason he has the stock cooler is because he was "smart" and got a apevia qpack2 micro atx case. meaning its hard to find a decent heatsink for his cpu.

i told him not to go micro expecially for gaming but he didnt listen.
 
Don't buy a CPU that is factory overclocked. Also, don't overclock your CPU, especially if it is without a fan, without thermal paste and without a heatsink, and especially if it is in a tight, cramped, small space such as a laptop.
 
oscaryu1 said:
Actually, the E8400 has many temperature sensing problems. Ask any E8400 owners here. They can't get a "real" temperature. If everything is snug, and everything is working properly, just disable autoshutdown. Most likely it's at a very good temperature...
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I guess I can be relieved I run AMD model cpus here then. :P

imsati said:
That's recommended, but not required. Maybe in the past, but with better thermal compounds today, not anymore. Granted, I wouldn't do a 100% OC during the first five minutes, but you can definitely run the system for more than a 'few hours'. In any case, a good break-in period is to turn on in the morning and shut down at night for a week or two to allow for a good 'seepage' of the TP into nooks and crannies.

To the OP, is the HSF itself completely locked into place on the MoBo? It's not at all uncommon for the base of the HSF to get snagged on a nearby capacitor, thus creating a very-slight gap between CPU and HSF.
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When putting the current build together here seeing that 107C cpu temp and then feeling how much heat was felt and noticing that the 9700 didn't look right I immediately shutdown, got the fan running, and ran the system for several hours afterwards all on the first night. Of course the temps were to drop from 107C way down to something like 29C there.

Within a full day's time once the initial cooling after warmup(I would say) took place I then watched 23C during the initial breakin time even running a few games. What I see at this time is the temps drop about 3C when running a game and giving the cpu some work. With the older Socket A and Intel models forget doing that much that soon.
 
OK, maybe it's me, but how does your:
When putting the current build together here seeing that 107C cpu temp and then feeling how much heat was felt and noticing that the 9700 didn't look right I immediately shutdown, got the fan running, and ran the system for several hours afterwards all on the first night. Of course the temps were to drop from 107C way down to something like 29C there.

Within a full day's time once the initial cooling after warmup(I would say) took place I then watched 23C during the initial breakin time even running a few games. What I see at this time is the temps drop about 3C when running a game and giving the cpu some work. With the older Socket A and Intel models forget doing that much that soon.
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to my:
That's recommended, but not required. Maybe in the past, but with better thermal compounds today, not anymore. Granted, I wouldn't do a 100% OC during the first five minutes, but you can definitely run the system for more than a 'few hours'. In any case, a good break-in period is to turn on in the morning and shut down at night for a week or two to allow for a good 'seepage' of the TP into nooks and crannies.
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make any sort of sense? Isn't that like saying 'after you install a new sink faucet, be sure to only let a 1/2 cup of water out at a time for the first day'?

Furthermore, if you're seeing claimed 107*C CPU temps, which I find complete BS, regardless of alleged fan issues or not, maybe you're not the one to be giving cooling advice. Hell, I run a D-series at 31*C Idle/44*C Load.
 
imsati said:
OK, maybe it's me, but how does your:
to my:
make any sort of sense? Isn't that like saying 'after you install a new sink faucet, be sure to only let a 1/2 cup of water out at a time for the first day'?

Furthermore, if you're seeing claimed 107*C CPU temps, which I find complete BS, regardless of alleged fan issues or not, maybe you're not the one to be giving cooling advice. Hell, I run a D-series at 31*C Idle/44*C Load.
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You would have to reread what I posted earlier since you obviously missed what was being explained. Upon first getting Windows on the current build seeing both XP and Vista alike I had just finished the video and sound installation and of course SpeedFan at the time. As soon as that was done and opened to see what the initial temps were... 107C! :eek: reported.

Verification in the bios wasn't needed once I placed my hand over the top of the case since that would be well past what the cpu would ever see. Got that so far? I then felt heat coming up that shouldn't be there and immediatelu shut down! The 9700 was still warm when I got the side cover off to see what was going on.

The fan blade was pushed into the copper fin array just enough to gum up the works. The sensor was actually reading the fan motor's high temp not the cpu's!

Fortunately the heat was never transferred directly into the cpu since the application of AS-5 was just put on. Apparently that initial warmup turned out to be beneficial once the fan blades were free having pushed the motor forward a little since the paste was what saw some of that heat giving it the initial warm up a little sooner then expected. :P
 
sorry to postjack haaha.

but say i got a zalman 9700 and it takes like a few days for the TP to get working properly.. haha. would the temps be that high? like seeing as its a majorly decent fan anyway? so some TP that isnt quite working fully wouldnt make that much diff would it?

thanks :)
 
Kuzba said:
sorry to postjack haaha.
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ha ha

Kuzba said:
but say i got a zalman 9700 and it takes like a few days for the TP to get working properly.. haha. would the temps be that high? like seeing as its a majorly decent fan anyway? so some TP that isnt quite working fully wouldnt make that much diff would it?
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Nah. Under no circumstance should you see temps that high. Although there is a break-in period, after that period, you'll see temps drop by only a few degrees, if at all. That's been my experience, anyway.
 
You would have to reread what I posted earlier since you obviously missed what was being explained
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No, I think I got it pretty good.

Fortunately the heat was never transferred directly into the cpu since the application of AS-5 was just put on. Apparently that initial warmup turned out to be beneficial once the fan blades were free having pushed the motor forward a little since the paste was what saw some of that heat giving it the initial warm up a little sooner then expected.
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So heat is transferred IN to the CPU and not away from it? A useless screenshot would ideal right about now.

Put a CPU/HSF together with no TP and turn the system on. If it doesn't auto-shutdown before you can enter windows and check the temp, that's a victory in itself right there. Then, apply TP, restart, and check temps. Notice no auto-shutdown and cooler temps? Why do you think that is, since it's obviously not the TP doing it's job:rolleyes:
 
ah ok cool. although its not like im gonna get one anytime soon haha. i could probably afford one right now... but i think ill get TF2 and some other stuff. ahha
 
imsati said:
No, I think I got it pretty good.



So heat is transferred IN to the CPU and not away from it? A useless screenshot would ideal right about now.

Put a CPU/HSF together with no TP and turn the system on. If it doesn't auto-shutdown before you can enter windows and check the temp, that's a victory in itself right there. Then, apply TP, restart, and check temps. Notice no auto-shutdown and cooler temps? Why do you think that is, since it's obviously not the TP doing it's job:rolleyes:
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Evidently not. Again you try to twist words into something else. :rolleyes: The 9700 itself is what got hot due to the fan's motor struggling while one the blades was hung up. Since AS-5 had just been applied it acted more like an insulator while the array of copper fins dissipated the heat away from the cpu not at it.
 
So, a stuck HSF motor generates enough heat to not only cause the heat fins to not be able to draw it all away, but will also further transfer down the the base of the HSF and into the CPU...

Wow. It's a shame you don't have any bridges to sell to whoever believes that one.

Make any excuse you want, PC, it's all good.;)
 
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